Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Remius]

It's interesting when Que was going through a referendum I remember an outpouring of My Canada includes Que ect ect for some reason Alberta seems to be getting the opposite response and they haven't even decided to hold a referendum or not yet.

There have been a few referendums. That one had a very specific charm campaign.

But don’t kid yourself. There were plenty of people that were saying let them go. As a non quebecer francophone living in a majority English province my community got it from both ends.

 

[JLB50]

Oh I know. I just enjoy the tortured rationalizing of people who think that Alberta would have the unilateral right to secede from Canada, but that FNs with pre-existing treaties wouldn’t be just as free to decline to bring their people or lands along with them.

The same people who say that Canadian law is just made up, and that separatism could disregard it, don’t usually have an answer for the dependence big business has on the stable and predictable rule of law. Capital isn’t going to flock to develop expensive heavy oil in a legally and politically unstable jurisdiction.

Case(s) in point, the two referendums that Quebec had in 1980 and 1990 were both preceded and followed by large exits of capital primarily to Toronto but also to western Canada.

 

[dapaterson]

 

[Halifax Tar]

There have been a few referendums. That one had a very specific charm campaign.

But don’t kid yourself. There were plenty of people that were saying let them go. As a non quebecer francophone living in a majority English province my community got it from both ends.

Absolutely. But I have seen no charm campaign, yet. Maybe it will emerge if Alberta actually holds a referendum.

 

[Jarnhamar]

our sovereignty is actively being threatened by one of the superpowers and it's not China.

Isn’t it, though?

There's 10 things made in China within 10 feet of you right now.

We're pushing to ban gas powered vehicle sales in the next years, how dependent on China will that make us?

We're not worried about China rolling over the Rockeys in Type 99 tanks but they set up police stations in our cities, harass and intimidate our citizens, and we even have members of parliament comfortable enough to make jokes about handing Canadian citizens over to their regime.

China is atleast as much as threat to our sovereignty as the US. More IMO.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Isn’t it, though?

There's 10 things made in China within 10 feet of you right now.

We're pushing to ban gas powered vehicle sales in the next years, how dependent on China will that make us?

We're not worried about China rolling over the Rockeys in Type 99 tanks but there set up police stations in our cities, harass and intimidate our citizens, and we even have members of parliament comfortable enough to make jokes about handing Canadian citizens over to their regime.

China is atleast as much as threat to our sovereignty as the US. More IMO.

Agreed.

 

[Remius]

Absolutely. But I have seen no charm campaign, yet. Maybe it will emerge if Alberta actually holds a referendum.

That charm offensive came after decades of separatist threats. It wasn’t always a thing. The whole thing was and is very acrimonious.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That charm offensive came after decades of separatist threats. It wasn’t always a thing. The whole thing was and is very acrimonious.

I'll have to take your word for it, I was 15 in '95. It's the only referendum I have memory of.

 

[dapaterson]

I remember learning that I must be ethnic, because I didn't have money.

 

[QV]

Same logic applies to any First Nations who wish to remain a part of Canada should other parts of Alberta choose to separate. After all, the treaties predate the social construct known as “Alberta” that was legislated into existence. Those First Nations wouldn’t in any way be obligated to join an Alberta rump state in separating, nor to cede their lands or resources to the said Alberta separatist state. Without FNs and their lands partaking in such a separation, the economic calculus changes considerably.

Nor would they be obligated to stay. Alberta could just assume the same obligations of the crown or negotiations would occur and there might be a better outcome for FN.

 

[The Bread Guy]

There's 10 things made in China within 10 feet of you right now.

Convince enough people to pay more to Buy Canadian, and that can change. How quick and how easy? Not so much on either front I suspect.

We're pushing to ban gas powered vehicle sales in the next years, how dependent on China will that make us?

That's something to be worked on BIG time, for sure, if there's real intent to get more electric-y without as much Musky products. Same as above.

We're not worried about China rolling over the Rockeys in Type 99 tanks but they set up police stations in our cities, harass and intimidate our citizens, and we even have members of parliament comfortable enough to make jokes about handing Canadian citizens over to their regime.

Agree with those saying WTF? to this, too.

China is atleast as much as threat to our sovereignty as the US. More IMO.

Agreed - it's just that the US is more of a threat than it has been in the past, which is part of what draws the eye/ear more.

 

[The Bread Guy]

With friends like these, AB can't lose, right?

Quebec sovereigntist party cheers on possible referendum in Alberta

QUÉBEC - The leader of the sovereigntist Parti Québécois is throwing his support behind a possible referendum in Alberta, applauding Premier Danielle Smith for standing up for her province.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Parti Québécois leader stands with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and her ‘strong hand’

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an ally in Quebec and his name is Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, the Parti Québécois Leader.

nationalpost.com

 

[PrairieFella]

With friends like these, AB can't lose, right?

Quebec sovereigntist party cheers on possible referendum in Alberta

QUÉBEC - The leader of the sovereigntist Parti Québécois is throwing his support behind a possible referendum in Alberta, applauding Premier Danielle Smith for standing up for her province.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Parti Québécois leader stands with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and her ‘strong hand’

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an ally in Quebec and his name is Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, the Parti Québécois Leader.

nationalpost.com

AB loses no matter the outcome now.

 

[brihard]

Nor would they be obligated to stay. Alberta could just assume the same obligations of the crown or negotiations would occur and there might be a better outcome for FN.

Certainly. So long as it’s accepted that it would be up to them, and that a separatist Alberta could not force the outcome on them if they don’t want to come along.

How economically viable what remains of Alberta would be in that case is a different matter.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Nor would they be obligated to stay. Alberta could just assume the same obligations of the crown or negotiations would occur and there might be a better outcome for FN.

Assuming the FNs want a Treaty with AB instead of Canada. And since each FN signed the Treaty, each one has self-determination too. I’d bet a loonie they’d want to maintain the federal link, but surprises are the order of the day, too.

 

[ModlrMike]

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[MilEME09]

I think the FN are made.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919867493914652809

 

[The Bread Guy]

I think the FN are made.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919867493914652809

My loonie was well bet then

 

[daftandbarmy]

Assuming the FNs want a Treaty with AB instead of Canada. And since each FN signed the Treaty, each one has self-determination too. I’d bet a loonie they’d want to maintain the federal link, but surprises are the order of the day, too.

Given how Uncle Sam treated his First Nations I'm not surprised there's some trepidation on the part of Canadian First Nations...

 

[suffolkowner]

Absolutely. But I have seen no charm campaign, yet. Maybe it will emerge if Alberta actually holds a referendum.

That charm offensive came after decades of separatist threats. It wasn’t always a thing. The whole thing was and is very acrimonious.

could be all out of charm? None left after the ongoing Quebec saga. I dont know how much energy i have left for the discussion whether its Quebec or AB