Local 416

[bradlupa]

As current news breaks the wonderful mayor of Toronto does have one or two points but things should be even across the table just because their contracts weren't up for negoations until this summer, i think that they should aleast be heard and maybe take a smaller raise this year and a larger the years coming. but i not a negotiator.

just my thoughts.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

plus we cannot refuse to go in if an officer say go in you go in.

bradlupa, -this is so wrong that it defies belief. You always have the right of refusal if you deem the order to contravene the common sense aspect of this act.

But I am just a lightweight on this topic compared to "Recceguy" and I'm sure he will wade in later when he is on line.

 

[bradlupa]

In the face of an emergency,  I can only refuse if it is due to equipment problems or potential equipment problems (from scba to tools of the job) not because of a fire in a building.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

not because of a fire in a building.

Wrong, ordering you into a empty building with no hope of success would not constitute an  "inherent danger" and could be refused under the Health and Safety Act.

Example:

Inmate "A" is standing at the door of his cell saying "I will kill the next copper that comes in my cell".

Order: "Monkhouse and Rudden, get "A' cuffed and ready to go to court"

                          Inherent- Must comply

Inmate "B" is standing at the door of his cell saying "I will kill the next copper that comes in my cell", while waving an 8 inch shank.

Order: "Monkhouse and Rudden, get "B' cuffed and ready to go to court".

                          Non-inherent. -Work refusal.

Same order, different result.

 

[bradlupa]

Please verify your information

http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/hs/ohsaguide/ohsag_7.html

As to your example Inmate A and Inmate B are in the cells because of there "Inherent danger" and therefore have to comply as it could be a part of their job

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Oh, don't worry, all CO's  know that page quite well.......................the big difference is between dangerous and stupid.

"a normal part of the job or if the refusal would endanger the life, health or safety of another person"


Danger is inherent, stupidity is not.

Listen, we could haggle all day but I just found your blanket statement that "we cannot refuse to go in if an officer say go in you go in." just waaaay too over the top.

You can.

 

[Jammer]

He's going to have sooo much fun in basic...
BTW tell your DS you were a cadet CWO...you'll get to the front of the line every time.

 

[bradlupa]

I may just be joining the Reg force but I'm not completely dumb.  I know that saying i was in cadets would bring a whole heap of crap my way.  I'm by no way the best or try to be the best, I strive to do my best.

If someone in my platoon needs extra help I will give it if I can but will not show boat thinking I know all.

Cadets means very little to them, other than they think that they have a know it all on board.


But this topic was about the lockout of Local 416 best of luck with negotiations

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

But this topic was about the lockout of Local 416 best of luck with negotiations

Now that I can agree with but I fear they will have to cave on the sick thing or this will be a long one.....

 

[bradlupa]

According to Local 416 President " we just want what what others got."

I can see where she is coming from, but at the same time the factor that drives the economy is MONEY.  If it's not there, then where does it come from.

 

[mariomike]

Now that I can agree with but I fear they will have to cave on the sick thing or this will be a long one.....

Paramedics deserve the same sick thing as Toronto Fire Serice employees. 
The same retirement thing would have been nice too.
This strike is only costing the workers ( in lost wages ) and the taxpayers ( we must continue to pay property tax ).
 

 

[bradlupa]

I hope they get an offer that they accept before the government has to step in again. 

Now I know that paramedics are part of Local 416, and I also know that it is an essential service, so are they getting their regular pay plus strike pay or just reg pay.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Well if "essential" for them is anything like us, they will do more work for less money.....

 

[mariomike]

I hope they get an offer that they accept before the government has to step in again. 

Now I know that paramedics are part of Local 416, and I also know that it is an essential service, so are they getting their regular pay plus strike pay or just reg pay.

Brad, let me say that the President of Local 416 is Mark Ferguson. Mark is a Paramedic. Mark is a he, not a she.
Also, FYI the TPFFA ( IAFF Local 3888 )  endorsed David Miller for mayor in the last election.
Paramedics are essential 75% of the time. They are on strike one shift out of four. They spend the fourth shift on the picket line. 

 

[bradlupa]

Yes i now know that Mark Ferguson is the President of Local 416, my local tv station made a mistake when interviewing and they put Presedient local 416 under her name.

My mistake. 

So explain the endorsment of David Miller, I was unaware of that.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Now that I can agree with but I fear they will have to cave on the sick thing or this will be a long one.....

That got dropped off our contract over 15 years ago.  That is a jammy thing to have, but I think it's pretty rare.  From what I understand, even being able to accumulate sick time is sort of special. 
I know for my part, I can just "sense" that there will be a malingering, non-specific, non-work related issue that precludes me from going to work a fair bit when I am around the last year before my retirement...   However, there will be fifteen years of like minded individuals before me that may blaze a trail for a future contract.  I know I have lots of time to not worry about it. 

Multiply that by the number of workers that potentially will be working in Toronto twenty five odd years from now?  Perhaps they shouldn't bash at it too hard. 

 

[mariomike]

So explain the endorsment of David Miller, I was unaware of that.

It was well reported in the Toronto newspapers in 2003.
"What I am proud of: A significant moment was in 2003, for the first time ever we endorsed a mayoralty candidate. David Miller went on to win the election and there is no question that the polls showed that the week of our endorsement had a significant effect on his campaign. I am proud to have led my Executive through this election endorsement."
Scott Marks, President Toronto Professional Firefighters Association.
http://13thdistrict.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-am-i-proud-of.html

Here is a "Letter of the Day" to the Editor of the Toronto Sun dated 14 Nov 2003.u
You can scroll down to it:
"David Miller has integrity...."
Scott Marks, President Toronto Professional Firefighters Association.
http://www.sesresearch.com/news/in_the_news/TorSun%20Editorial%20November%2014%202003.pdf

Here is another from the The Globe and Mail
October 26, 2007:
TORONTO -- Despite its financial crisis, Toronto is giving its firefighters more than 9 per cent in pay increases over the next three years - a wage hike the city's other unions say they are eyeing as their talks draw closer.
"David Miller's relationship to organized labour is cozy. But his relations to the firefighters union is extra cozy," Mr.  ( Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong )  Minnan-Wong said.
http://www.urbantoronto.ca/archive/index.php/t-5193.html

 

[bradlupa]

I see now.  Thanks for the interesting reading I can now see your point, and hope they get it.

Very interesting reading

 

[mariomike]

I see now.  Thanks for the interesting reading I can now see your point, and hope they get it.
Very interesting reading

Thanks, Brad.
Perhaps TPPFA support for the mayor was largely symbolic, as it didn't say how many of their members can actually vote in a city election. Residency requirements are no longer in force.
Firefighters now work 24 hour shifts, and with the days off between shifts, may prefer to live elsewhere.
I can't imagine working 24 shifts on the ambulance or police department, but they seem to like it.

 

[bradlupa]

According to the Toronto fire fighters that I know they work 7 days a months.  Seems to me why they like it.