London Riots

[OldSolduer]

A ring of armed Royal Marines around the Cenotaph wouldn't be out of the question.

With Para and SAS snipers providing overwatch

 

[HavokFour]

With Para and SAS snipers providing overwatch

Gurkha squads (kukri's only) patrolling the streets would be enough to send everyone running home to their nannies.  >

 

[opp550]

@ the three above replies

That has to be the absolute stupidest idea ever.


London would explode with that much badassery in one place!

 

[OldSolduer]

@ the three above replies

That has to be the absolute stupidest idea ever.


London would explode with that much badassery in one place!

I'm not getting it.....clarify your position.....thanks

 

[opp550]

I meant that if the Parachute Regiment, the Royal Marines, and The Special Air Service were in one place their collective toughness in one place, havoc would ensue.

I meant it as a joke, and if anyone takes offense to it, it was not meant as such and I sincerely apologize if anyone feels that way.

 

[OldSolduer]

I meant that if the Parachute Regiment, the Royal Marines, and The Special Air Service were in one place their collective toughness in one place, havoc would ensue.

I meant it as a joke, and if anyone takes offense to it, it was not meant as such and I sincerely apologize if anyone feels that way.

Cool, I thought so.....and you are right....the rioters would cry like little babies.....once these three organizations showed up.

 

[Jimmy_D]

With the amount of ignorance that is currently happening in Britain, i believe the police should be out in full force with the rubber bullets. If after their attempts to settle everything down fails. Then a declaration of martial law should be set. Not a nice way to do business, but with the amount of ppl defying the law and government at this time it maybe the only way to see relief. Yes they maybe going on what in their minds is a state of " ROBIN HOOD-ISM"
but the fact still stands that no matter if your rich or if your poor, you should respect the principals of law, for they are there to protect everyone, and the government is ment to do the same as well as manage everyone.

JD

 

[Kirkhill]

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If I was a business owner in London right now, the law would be the only thing that would protect looters from me

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Further to the above  (and an apology for joining the rush to judgement - It would seem that Turks, Bengalis and Somalis are on the lines taking on the looters - along with the "proper" Brits.)

London riots: residents fight back

Shops and homes in an upmarket area of south London were protected from rioters by a human barricade as residents and workers across the capital were forced to defend themselves.

Locals in Clapham Junction, Dalston and Whitechapel took to the streets and faced down the mob on Monday night after realising that police were too over-stretched to help.

In south London, officers were nowhere to be seen as shopfronts were smashed in St John’s Road, Clapham Junction.


But the gangs of youths were prevented from carrying on their rampage south into Northcote Road, site of restaurants - specialist food stores and boutiques - by locals who guarded the top of the street from a branch of Nando’s to the Northcote pub.......

John Comyn, who has lived in the area all his life, said: “Most people I spoke to were local and couldn't believe what was happening. No one wanted to venture down St John's Road but we weren't going to let them ruin our street......

In one of east London’s most fashionable districts, shopkeepers brandishing makeshift weapons took to the streets.

As nearby Hackney was targeted by rioters and looters, the mostly Turkish owners of barber shops and food stores in Dalston pulled the shutters down on their premises and stood guard outside......

Jerry Keshin, who runs Jerry's Food and Wine on Stoke Newington Road, said: “I shut early because I heard they were coming. I went down to Hoxton to get my boys and we drove back up and saw a group of about 10 rioters who were on their way into our area. We chased them into one of the estates and had it out. ....


His friend Aykut Boyraz said: “The community is close and we all know each other. We're not going to have any riots around here. It doesn't matter if you're Turkish, if you live round here we'll defend you......


The Bengali community in Whitechapel, further into East London, fended off a mob of looters.

Rioters who had targeted shops on Commercial Road arrived in the area as prayers were finishing at the East London Mosque on Monday evening.

It was feared they were trying to break into the mosque and the nearby Islamic Bank of Britain, but they were driven away by a large crowd of Muslim worshippers.

“Within about 10 minutes there were 1,500 people on the street, not just Asians but also Somalis,” said Muhammad Ali, 27.

“We were at a chicken shop, finishing our fast when we saw the looters. Some had bandanas over their faces.”

According to Sam Miah, 26, the riot police were unsure what to do. “They saw our brothers from the mosque and we said we could handle the situation.”

Mahbub Alam, 35, the proprietor of a computer shop, said their intervention reflected the determination of the community to protect itself from the mob and make sure its shops and cafes did not suffer the same fate as others across the capital.

“The riots are disgusting, I would never have thought I would have witnessed something like this in a civilised society,” he said.

In this case, at least, the rioters’ timing was poor, because they arrived as a large number of worshippers - many in their 20s and 30s - were spilling out onto the street.

“Some of our boys got into their cars and followed the rioters, who went straight to the Docklands Light Railway and left.

“Our boys acted very maturely and it gave confidence to the whole community, Muslim and non-Muslim, when something happened they were ready for it.".....


Up to 20 youths carrying pieces of wood and even mop handles tried to break into Best Buy on Harlesden High Street but locals said the staff were “not having it”. 

 

[daftandbarmy]

Actually, it's all looking rather tame.

No heaps of bodies, no plastic bullets/ baton rounds deployed, no 'no go' zones established by heavily armed bad guys having to be stormed by armoured vehicles (or paratroopers), no guns/IEDs/other nasties to deal with concurrent with howling mobs. Luxury....

Sure, there's a bit of 'hooting and looting', but likely nothing that can't be covered by the usual insurance claims. Luckily, most of the damage seems confined to the looters' home turf as well, which is awkward if - in a couple of months - you try to buy a pint of milk from a shop you trashed previously.

All in all, a pretty amatuer performance by the restless natives, which the police seem to be handling fairly well. A good rehearsal for Olympic security, as well as a good opportunity to launch a significant numbers of preventative arrests, no doubt assisted by the evidence they will be collecting from the thousands of cameras they have deployed in most urban areas these days.

The biggest challenge the government will face will likely be finding enough cash to pay the overtime for all the Peelers deployed to deal with the Pond Life, as well as the inevitable push from the security services to increase the budgets for 2012. That would be a good reason to send in the military - we're cheaper, and better looking ;D

 

[Stoker]

Actually, it's all looking rather tame.

Sure, there's a bit of 'hooting and looting', but likely nothing that can't be covered by the usual insurance claims. Luckily, most of the damage seems confined to the looters' home turf as well, which is awkward if - in a couple of months - you try to buy a pint of milk from a shop you trashed previously.

All in all, a pretty amatuer performance by the restless natives, which the police seem to be handling fairly well. A good rehearsal for Olympic security, as well as a good opportunity to launch a significant numbers of preventative arrests, no doubt assisted by the evidence they will be collecting from the thousands of cameras they have deployed in most urban areas these days.

Your kidding right?

 

[Jimmy_D]

Actually, it's all looking rather tame.

No heaps of bodies, no plastic bullets/ baton rounds deployed, no 'no go' zones established by heavily armed bad guys having to be stormed by armoured vehicles (or paratroopers), no guns/IEDs/other nasties to deal with concurrent with howling mobs. Luxury....

Sure, there's a bit of 'hooting and looting', but likely nothing that can't be covered by the usual insurance claims. Luckily, most of the damage seems confined to the looters' home turf as well, which is awkward if - in a couple of months - you try to buy a pint of milk from a shop you trashed previously.

All in all, a pretty amatuer performance by the restless natives, which the police seem to be handling fairly well. A good rehearsal for Olympic security, as well as a good opportunity to launch a significant numbers of preventative arrests, no doubt assisted by the evidence they will be collecting from the thousands of cameras they have deployed in most urban areas these days.

The biggest challenge the government will face will likely be finding enough cash to pay the overtime for all the Peelers deployed to deal with the Pond Life, as well as the inevitable push from the security services to increase the budgets for 2012. That would be a good reason to send in the military - we're cheaper, and better looking ;D

Are you even paying attention to the media? Look at Chief Stoker's post, also what about what the looters are doing to some of the ppl who are just trying to go on their regular day business. They knocked a guy down, helped him up and stole from him; They were forcing ppl to strip naked in the middle of the streets to take their clothes ( and with the photos i seen I'm pretty sure the guy wouldn't even fit into those clothes), They were stripping down monuments, burning cars, throwing projectiles at police, burning buildings. I still see a great deal of defiance which has to be dealt with wheather it is large numbers or small.

Don't you?



JD

 

[Jimmy_D]

Manchester and the Midlands burn as children as young as NINE join copycat riots... but police WILL be allowed to use water cannons on rioters

Offices will have 24 hours notice to roll out powerful water cannons on yobs

U-turn on 'softly softly' approach earlier this week as police finally vow to come down hard on offenders

Three men killed in Birmingham as hit-and-run prompts triple murder investigation

Serious disorder in Manchester, but also unrest in Wolverhampton, West Bromwich and Salford

Violence in Liverpool, Leicester and Nottingham where police station is fire-bombed by gang

Gloucester also struck by violence as firefighters tackle blaze at derelict art college

Police investigating reports that shots have been fired at police officer in Birmingham

Fire damages recycling facility in Tottenham

16,000 officers on London's streets keep the capital calm

109 arrests in West Midlands, 110 in Manchester and Salford and 50 across Merseyside. 19 are arrested in Bristol

768 people arrested in London since Saturday and 167 charged. 81 are arrested overnight

Liam Gallagher's Manchester boutique smashed and ransacked

Ebay and Gumtree will help police to identify stolen goods being sold online



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024203/UK-RIOTS-2011-Manchester-Midlands-burn-London-control.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

to add more salt to the wounds.

JD

 

[daftandbarmy]

Are you even paying attention to the media? Look at Chief Stoker's post, also what about what the looters are doing to some of the ppl who are just trying to go on their regular day business. They knocked a guy down, helped him up and stole from him; They were forcing ppl to strip naked in the middle of the streets to take their clothes ( and with the photos i seen I'm pretty sure the guy wouldn't even fit into those clothes), They were stripping down monuments, burning cars, throwing projectiles at police, burning buildings. I still see a great deal of defiance which has to be dealt with wheather it is large numbers or small.

Don't you?



JD

Oh yes, it's all very worrying and dramatic. And in a month you won't remember anything about it, like the Vancouver riots.

It's just that I recall the average summer riot in Belfast (July 12th or August 9th) consumed, in addition to hundreds of coppers, at least a battalion of infantry - plus atts and dets -  and over 200 baton rounds.

Deploy the army for this one? Not a chance.

 

[Jimmy_D]

With all do respect, the Vancouver Riots were at a less grand scale then what is happening in London. 16 000 police were deployed last night. Yes the number of crimes in that general area diminished to a lot less, but other areas became more of a problem. It is to a point where the Police can not do it all on their own, unless everyone gives up. I am not saying come out guns blazing. But a larger show of force will definitely help subside the matters. Especially where there have been reports of Officers being shot at. Yes it is all part of the job but many hands make less work, and less over exhaustion.

JD

 

[ModlrMike]

England riots: primary school assistant pleads guilty to Croydon burglary
Stockwell learning mentor, 31, bailed after pleading guilty to charge of breaking and entering at electrical shop

Sandra Laville and Jessica Shepherd
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 10 August 2011 14.51 BST

A primary school assistant has appeared in court accused of being part of a mob that tried to loot an electrical store during the riots in London on Monday.

Alexis Bailey, 31, who works for Stockwell primary school in Stockwell Road, south London, was arrested in the Richer Sounds store, Croydon, just after midnight, Highbury Corner magistrates court heard.

Article Link


Sort of puts paid to the whiners saying it's all poor, downtrodden youth rebelling, and we should really feel sorry for them. Granted his rent to income ratio it too high... but that's not the point.

 

[Kirkhill]

We will use water cannons on them: At last Cameron orders police to come down hard on the looters (some aged as young as NINE)

9 year old white "Jack-the-lads" swiping Vodka from Sainsbury's when they get the word on the Blackberry's that their well-to-do parents supplied them.  Streets defended against these "heros of the underclasses" by walls of shopkeepers.  Brigades of volunteer brooms on the street afterwards, as in the case of the Vancouver riots.

Nah.  D&B has it right.  These riots have more in common with the regular fixtures between Kat's beloved Hammers and Millwall than the tax riots in Greece, the Muslim riots in France and the annual Orange riots in Belfast (although I do think that the latter is often played for kicks exactly the same way that football games are on the mainland - Ireland not being able to field a decent FA Cup qualifier).

 

[OldSolduer]

England riots: primary school assistant pleads guilty to Croydon burglary
whiners saying it's all poor, downtrodden youth rebelling, and we should really feel sorry for them.

They are terrorists and should be tried as such. While I am at it, the governments should demand that the cell phone companies hand over all records of texts etc (if they can) to the police for use in prosecution of said terrorists.
The hackers that blogged that RIM would be harmed in some way should be hunted down and prosecuted as well.

Just my very strong opinion on how to deal with domestic terrorism.

 

[Haletown]

Charges have already been laid in the UK and meanwhile in Vancouver not a single hooligan, thug or Entitled youth has yet been charged.

 

[The Bread Guy]

A candle lit in the dark?

In the wake of the riots in English cities, law-abiding citizens have been picking up brooms and brushes and joining the clean-up. Is the broom the symbol of the resistance to the riots?

After the rioting every night this week, the news headlines told a bleak story of communities under attack. But hours later locals wearing wellies and washing up gloves were reclaiming the streets with brooms, bin bags and dustpans.

The fightback has been co-ordinated by the Twitter campaign #riotcleanup, launched by Dan Thompson and Sophie Collard, two strangers who were united by a shared sense of outrage at the scenes of devastation.

"The most shocking thing was the TV footage of fires spreading across London," says Thompson, an artist in Worthing. "The pictures of the furniture warehouse in Croydon burning was like something out of the Blitz."
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The response to the Twitter campaign was dramatic. By the following morning crowds of people had gathered in riot-affected areas like Clapham Junction and Hackney.

When London Mayor Boris Johnson went to inspect the damage in Clapham Junction, the crowd chanted "where's your broom" and one was soon pushed into his hand.

He raised it aloft to cheers that seemed to recognise the new symbol of the fightback ....

Source:  BBC, 10 Aug 11

Here's the Twitter feed with the #riotcleanup hashtag - more coverage of the "Broom Army" here, here and here.

 

[vonGarvin]

THIS is the best story on the riots.  It's not the tragedy of the riots, but the triumph of the average citizens that restores my faith in humanity.