London teen dedicated to peace

[Greymatters]

That explains a lot... not that there's anything wrong with being a devout Marxist-Leninist who claims an anti-military stance, despite all Marxist-Leninist nations worldwide having large aggressive military forces and repressive political systems... :

 

[The Bread Guy]

A group with an opposing viewpoint has already been created specifically in response to SNARL:

Student Association for Respecting our Military

Well, I notice it got SOME coverage in the piece, so I guess that the media's focus continues to be "anti-military first, then maybe pro-military" - funny how there's no e-mail address to the group MM mentioned above in the article....

-- edited on closer reading of original article - dohh! --

 

[Good2Golf]

That explains a lot... not that there's anything wrong with being a devout Marxist-Leninist who claims an anti-military stance, despite all Marxist-Leninist nations worldwide having large aggressive military forces and repressive political systems... :

+1

 

[aesop081]

That explains a lot... not that there's anything wrong with being a devout Marxist-Leninist who claims an anti-military stance, despite all Marxist-Leninist nations worldwide having large aggressive military forces and repressive political systems... :

Please do not aproach the situation with facts. We all know what facts do to debates.

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[IN HOC SIGNO]

This facebook group angers me I have been reading if it for the past 20 mins or so, and all I have witnessed was the same garbage as before, nothing but cheap shots and bull@#$% towards the military. A few people who have posted their own opinion that conflicted with the groups opinion, have been deleted. I guess that this group doesn't understand that this country is about Democracy, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
This group is seen taking a blow at the military here...   So the Canadian Forces is abusing women now? One of the few military's in the world that promotes equity in the work place, abusing women? I don't @#$%ing think so. This SNARL group really has no idea what is actually happening over there, and I think they are very naive people for wanting to ban recruiting from schools. It's not like the recruiter is in schools to grab a few unsuspecting students and throws them in a duffel bag and as he runs to the milcot parked outside he shouts ''START THE ENGINE CPL! LETS GO!'' He is there to allow students to have a briefing on what life in Canadian Forces is about and what it offers, they do this for future recruitment. There is no green Army bus waiting outside for students to hop on after the the 3 o'clock bell. Banning recruiting from schools is eliminating a very significant career choice for students, what other job can pay up to 50% tuition for post-secondary? What other job will pay YOU to be paid to be trained in a trade that you can use on civi side? These people have it all wrong. I think it's about time that the rest of Canada recognizes this and finally puts an end to this bull@#$% speculation.

The thing is that it's his page and he can add or subtract anything he wants....just as we can here.

As I said earlier this guy is the equivalent of the Chemistry club at his High School....a boring little twerp with his leftie views in place ready for the young socialists at whatever university he decides to infest.
There were young NDPers at my HS when I was growing up....we used to laugh at them and their earnest little left wing commentaries about the evil US and the Viet Nam war....these guys are no different.
When I attended UBC for my Under Grad and Grad degrees we had a lot of them there too.....last seen shackled to a tree near Port Alberni no doubt!

 

[Greymatters]

Please do not aproach the situation with facts. We all know what facts do to debates.  : 

My bad...  I'll try and dig up some distorted myths, rhetoric and propoganda to replace those...

 

[Delicron]

Does this not smack of the recent little stupidity at the University of Victoria (I believe there was another thread on it)?  The Student Society there actually banned the Recruiters from what I recall.  I looked it up and found this interesting tidbit:

Shannon Lucy, a third-year anthropology student, supports the UVSS decision.

"I'm not for censorship," said Lucy. "But since the Canadian Armed Forces is doing illegal things, they don't really have any business on a public site. We can't be endorsing them."

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/uvic-students-challenge-ban-military-recruiting-0

That kind of scares me.  Being just out of University last year, the fact that this kind of rhetoric gets any sort of sanction makes me kind of depressed!  Thankfully I didn't see this level of idiocy at the U of Calgary (though I am sure there are many there that support this kind of doctrine).  What is it about educational institutions that brings about people with this level of intolerance and self-righteousness?  Mention of this always makes me angry, but the implication that somehow the military is acting illegally?  That's ridiculous.  This seems to be a very similar line of thought from the under-educated High School student from London, not to mention the other lovely chap from another thread, Steven Staples.

 

[GDawg]

There is a section on the SNARL facebook page for dissenting opinions. I actually joined the group to lend some constructive criticism to the young lad.
The fact that they have not replied to my arguments in the past 4 or 5 days, and that the dissenting opinions page has more commentary than the rest of the entire site combined by a margin of 2 is quite telling. Little Martin and his university equivalent of Senator Palpatine don't have legs to stand on in this debate. SNARL will no doubt die a quiet, anonymous death. Too bad they already got their minute of fame in the spotlight.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

There is a section on the SNARL facebook page for dissenting opinions. I actually joined the group to lend some constructive criticism to the young lad.
The fact that they have not replied to my arguments in the past 4 or 5 days, and that the dissenting opinions page has more commentary than the rest of the entire site combined by a margin of 2 is quite telling. Little Martin and his university equivalent of Senator Palpatine don't have legs to stand on in this debate. SNARL will no doubt die a quiet, anonymous death. Too bad they already got their minute of fame in the spotlight.

Oh don't worry when he runs for NDP MP for London he'll put in his Bio that he was a student activist concerned with "social issues." If you are that, a teacher/professor or a Social Worker you're a shoe in for the nomination!

 

[GDawg]

Thats a shame, the NDP used to have some good MPs and they usually field good honest people in the rural ridings, unfortunately/fortunately  the only candidates you hear about in the news are the moonbeam tree huggers or the Nazi's in orange. This is just another crazy left wing "for the people, by the people" movement that has no backing or basis in reality.

 

[Blindspot]

This group is seen taking a blow at the military here...  So the Canadian Forces is abusing women now? One of the few military's in the world that promotes equity in the work place, abusing women?

Martin spouts off worse things in the counter website in rebuttal to pro-military arguments. For example, he compares CF recruiters to child predators and mentions paedophilia. He also contends that Nazis should not be allowed free speech and uses this argument as a basis for why the CF should not be allowed to recruit in schools.

 

[Blindspot]

Well, I was quite disgusted, but look what I uncovered: this  (This is the same kid, found the link form his My Space form here)

Are you surprised considering his mentor, David Heap, has gone out of his way to look like Leon Trotsky?

 

[NL_engineer]

Thats news to me, I never searched him

 

[The Bread Guy]

As I said earlier this guy is the equivalent of the Chemistry club at his High School....a boring little twerp with his leftie views in place ready for the young socialists at whatever university he decides to infest.

True enough, but with one critical difference:  I don't see MSM sharing too many of the views of the chemistry club on the air/in the paper/on the 'net.

Let's hope the story just goes away....

 

[Greymatters]

Does this not smack of the recent little stupidity at the University of Victoria (I believe there was another thread on it)? 

That would be this one:

UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
(http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/66411.0.html)

 

[GDawg]

The verbal war with David Heap has really heated up on facebook. This guy has a vicious hate-on for people in uniform. I'm still arguing with him, though my one and only new years resolution was to not argue with assholes on the internet (More specifically, on the Globe and Mail website). I'm gonna head off to the woods for a few days to get away from the various electronic stress boxes that plague me. If you're in a mood for an interesting read or would like to argue with your social/intellectual "better", then you really ought to drop by.

 

[Blindspot]

What an assclown. What is it about linguistics professors?

 

[Greymatters]

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/documents/2063/students-for-academic-freedom-handbook

This link is to the site for "Students for Academic Freedom".  Although an American organization, it has several good ideas on how students can organize counter-movements against the anti-war / extreme liberal mentalities currently present among the student body and faculty of most of Canada's universities and colleges.  The handbook basically uses the same methods that the anti-war groups use, explaining how to set up a legitmate organization and gain campus funding.  A great how-to book for setting up any organization.   

The SAF was created as a result of numerous incidents in the US where students were punished in the form of reduced grades and other incidents for verbally or textually presenting ideas their instructors or other students didnt agree with, primarily conservative opinions or support for the military.  Cant speak for whether this organization has any ulterior motives, or whether it also supports the extreme crazy opinions that tend to come in when the door of 'free speech' is opened too widely, but I am interested if we have something similiar in Canada? 

 

[ModlrMike]

The verbal war with David Heap has really heated up on facebook. This guy has a vicious hate-on for people in uniform. I'm still arguing with him, though my one and only new years resolution was to not argue with assholes on the internet (More specifically, on the Globe and Mail website). I'm gonna head off to the woods for a few days to get away from the various electronic stress boxes that plague me. If you're in a mood for an interesting read or would like to argue with your social/intellectual "better", then you really ought to drop by.

My impression is that while the group may have been started by an over-eager teenager, this David Heap has usurped the groups purpose and taken it as his own private soap box.

 

[Franko]

You do realize that you're arguing with (David Heap included) children don't you?

Regards