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Long Island RR Worker Made Over $400000

tomahawk6

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Ghost worker busted. He made over $400000 of which $295000 was OT. All good things must end but the story takes a sad twist for tax payers - he was allowed to retire with his pension !!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lirr-worker-who-hung-out-at-home-on-the-clock-to-retire-without-punishment-collect-full-pension-report
 
tomahawk6 said:
- he was allowed to retire with his pension !!

I'm not a US - Canada pension expert. But, he had been an LIRR employee since 1996.

And, according to the LIRR,

In the event of termination, all participants will become fully vested to the extent of their then accrued benefits based on
their compensation and service up to the date of termination.
http://web.mta.info/mta/budget/pdf/pandb/LIRR%20Company%20Plan%20for%20Additional%20Pensions.pdf

Being vested means you are entitled to receive a pension benefit equal to the value of your individual defined contribution account. This includes the contributions you have made (if any), and your employer's contributions, plus the interest or investment return credited to the contributions.
https://www.fsco.gov.on.ca/en/pensions/pension-plan-guide/pages/HRPPW-Vesting-and-Locking-in-of-Pension-Benenfits.html

This came up with the dismissal of FBI Deputy Director McCabe,

No, Andrew McCabe isn't "Losing his pension"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2018/03/17/no-andrew-mccabe-isnt-losing-his-pension/#42c81977236d
Pensions -- public as well as private -- are required to meet certain vesting requirements, and, in fact, the FERS (Federal Employees Retirement System) benefits vest at five years, meaning that benefit accruals cannot be taken away.

Here in Canada,

The Canadian Forces cannot remove Colonel Wxxxxx pension.  The Canadian Forces Superannuation Act determines a member’s pension entitlement upon release. Entitlements are calculated based on years of service and earnings, and are not affected by the type of release from the military, whether he is convicted by a civilian court or a military court martial or the sentence.
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/news/article.page?doc=clarification-regarding-the-military-justice-system-and-military-pension/hnps1uyo











 
Except he was guilty of fraud. Clocking in and not actually working is not permitted or else more would try it. I have seen this happen in local government. I suspect lax supervision or none at all is necessary for someone to pull this off.
 
tomahawk6 said:
. . .  Clocking in and not actually working . . .

Sounds a lot like my early years in the army.  Lots of time in the coffee room playing shooter (a variation of euchre).
 
Not so for me. Work in the AM and by noon we were done for the day. ;D
 
Sounds like buddy punching.

Apparently they don't like the high tech biometric fingerprint scanning time-clocks. Someone is cutting the cables.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/05/saboteur-cuts-wire-on-fingerprint-machine-fighting-lirr-overtime-abuse/
 

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mariomike said:
Sounds like they were buddy punching.

Apparently they don't like the high tech biometric fingerprint scanning time-clocks. Someone is cutting the cables.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/05/saboteur-cuts-wire-on-fingerprint-machine-fighting-lirr-overtime-abuse/
 

I think you are right Mario.
 
Probably been going on since punch clocks were invented.  :)
 
A quick google-fu shows there may be a broader issue than just this guy - this from just a few weeks back …
Last week, after The Post exposed the Long Island Rail Road’s overtime scandal, Metropolitan Transportation Authority chief Pat Foye announced a crackdown: The LIRR and the MTA’s other agencies must investigate whether a track worker really worked 16 hours a day for an entire year straight, for example.

A crackdown is laudable, but it’s not enough: The bigger problem is the union contracts that workers expertly exploit.

The LIRR racked up $225 million in OT last year, according to the Empire Center — consuming nearly a third of the $740 million in fares Long Island commuters pay. Put another way, without this burden, the average commuter riding from Huntington to Penn Station every day could pay $253, not $363.

Insane overtime rules are effectively taking a restaurant meal each month away from harried — and lower-paid — private-sector workers. Fraud needs policing and punishment, but the rules encourage fraud.

What are the rules that drive up overtime? To start, LIRR managers are hamstrung by nearly a dozen separate union contracts, the longest of which is 128 pages ...
… leading to this:
The MTA is planning to use its police force to take attendance and monitor Long Island Rail Road employees’ use of overtime, correspondence obtained Wednesday by the Daily News revealed.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is hoping the cops can cap LIRR workers’ overtime to keep figures from soaring well above six figures.

Anthony Simon, chairman of a union that represents LIRR workers, wrote in a May 8 letter to MTA Chairman Pat Foye that he has “serious concerns” about the decision.

“These officers belong out in public fighting crime, combating fare evasion and serving the riding public, not going through the motions of observing employee attendance behaviors,” Simon wrote. “This is a waste of police resources and puts our entire system at risk.” ...
Issue seems to go back a bit:
Seven of eight MTA employees who made more than $200,000 in overtime (in 2016) worked for the Long Island Rail Road, including one track foreman who was paid a total of nearly $361,000 in a single year, according to a new report.

The data, compiled by the Albany-based think tank the Empire Center for Public Policy and released Monday, reveals that the MTA’s top earner in 2016, Ralph Golden, made $256,155 in overtime — more than tripling his base salary of $104,822 ...
 
tomahawk6 said:
Except he was guilty of fraud. Clocking in and not actually working is not permitted or else more would try it. I have seen this happen in local government. I suspect lax supervision or none at all is necessary for someone to pull this off.

I work on the railroads.

I am sitting at the rockford restaurant in PG.

On Pay.

Legally, fully entitled to sit here for up to 4 hours eating.

On pay.

Because my situation and scenario permits it. You lift some heavy accusations, i could see no rulings regarding those accusations.

Since last October i have been paid roughly, $40,000 CAD to sit on my rear end at home...

I think more to this story exists.. maybe the agreements changed and he was working off the old ones...

Id like to see the facts.

Abdullah
 
AbdullahD said:
I work on the railroads.

I am sitting at the rockford restaurant in PG.

On Pay.

Legally, fully entitled to sit here for up to 4 hours eating.

On pay.

Because my situation and scenario permits it. You lift some heavy accusations, i could see no rulings regarding those accusations.

Since last October i have been paid roughly, $40,000 CAD to sit on my rear end at home...

I think more to this story exists.. maybe the agreements changed and he was working off the old ones...

Id like to see the facts.

Abdullah

My father , and his father, were both members of The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. That's the oldest labor organization in North America. The pay system looked pretty complicated.

My best paychecks were during SARS on "Working Quarantine".
 
Union contracts I am sure are a problem. Workers can game the system expertly. File grievance then the union rep goes to work.

 
tomahawk6 said:
Union contracts I am sure are a problem.

Buddy punching is a concern in both union and non-union workplaces.

Only difference is the union will send a rep to hold your hand when they terminate you. Same result.

Nobody "gamed the system" during working quarantine. That's the way the collective agreement is written.

Toronto police, fire and paramedics have been unionized since 1918.

Sorry, T6. I accidentally typed my reply to you in your quote box. I removed it to my own.
 
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Legally, fully entitled to sit here for up to 4 hours eating.


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Do you want to get fat? Because that's how you get fat.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Union contracts I am sure are a problem. Workers can game the system expertly. File grievance then the union rep goes to work.

Union agreements do go to far in some situations, but generally at least up here are a response to employees being violated by managers.

I am generally anti-union, but on the railroad, I see a real need for them at least up here in Canada and from everyone I talk to the situation for employees in the USA is a lot worse.

If yall want I can try and download a copy of the 4.3 to here, so you can take a look at how comprehensive it is and at first blush it would seem the union has the upper hand, but in reality they do not. I'll just need to find a public source for it, just in case... also the company whining about having to work through multiple agreements etc etc etc a lot of times they do not care and just say "do it and grieve it" and a lot of "grievances" do not result in more pay (at least up here) or the managers only run into a few situations so they know what they can or can not do.

I'd like to see the unions response to these allegations, right now we have only seen at least me, so far, the companies opinion.

Or maybe I'm just a bit salty and whiny lol
Abdullah

P.s Jarn the manager I am working under has not made it possible for me to take a lunch break in the last 4 days.. so Ive been pulling 16 hr shifts, 8 hrs off and then back on for a bit now and no immediate end in site. So I used the "lunch break" as a way to get more rest, but generally I lose weight on the assignment I'm on now ;)
 
US government workers are almost impossible to fire so we as managers had to get creative. Had a case where a civilian worker broke the rules so I wanted him gone, but the civilian personnel office said i couldnt. So I worked in an area that required a security clearance to work there , so i got his security clearance revoked. End result the worker was moved to a different office .
 
AbdullahD said:
16 hr shifts, 8 hrs off and then back on

Boy, do I remember those.  :) That was mandated OT. Not voluntary.

Even just in the last ten+ years since I retired, the union has made gains our generation never dreamed of,

Meal allowance, meal breaks, early and late call provisions, stress leave, presumptive legislation for PTSD, power stretchers and stair chairs, guaranteed car counts, early retirement, less physically demanding work for senior paramedics, etc...

Other than the Working Quarantine policy, we never had any of the above.

The idea of guaranteed job security is a myth.

An Ontario arbitrator upheld the dismissal of a Toronto paramedic after his judgment was called into question due to non-criminal,  off-duty conduct,
https://www.hrreporter.com/columnist/employment-law/archive/2013/04/22/professional-conduct-outside-of-profession/
"Certain jobs require a high level of skill and a high level of trust from both employers and the public. For employees working in those types of positions, it’s possible that off-duty behaviour can call into question that trust, if it demonstrates poor judgment. And if an employer no longer has confidence that an employee has the judgment to perform a job of high skill and responsibility, the result could be dismissal."

That's just one example. Posts on social media have been career suicide for others.

If you become a public disgrace, they will fire you.




 
AbdullahD said:
Since last October i have been paid roughly, $40,000 CAD to sit on my rear end at home...

Where I worked, there was Call Back, Standby, and Call-in pay. It added up.

Also, for railway crews ( and certain other occupations ), for safety reasons, there are limits to the number of hours an employee can be required or allowed to work.
 
The trucking industry in the US for safety require max hours allowed to work with mandatory rest periods.
 
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