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Loophole in navy rules allows ship to offer cheap beer to crew

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By Dean Beeby


OTTAWA (CP) - A Canadian warship pressed into service to help catch drug-runners off the African coast last year did a little dealing of its own, newly disclosed documents show.

An apparent loophole in navy rules allowed HMCS Fredericton to subsidize the cost of beer for the crew by using profits from the normally forbidden sale of duty-free tobacco.

The unusual cross-subsidization occurred during Operation Chabanel, an elaborate RCMP-led sting to seize 22.5 tonnes of hashish off the coast of Angola. The smuggled dope was destined for Montreal.

HMCS Fredericton's report on the 44-day mission shows officials ran a nicotine-and-alcohol operation on the side as they struggled to provide two of a sailor's favourite vices.

The frigate was on fisheries patrol on the Grand Banks last spring when it was unexpectedly diverted to support the RCMP sting operation off Africa.

The secret assignment meant a surprise extension of the voyage by several weeks - bad news for smokers, who carried only enough cigarettes to get them through to the end of April.

There was a run on cigarettes at the ship's canteen until all that was left was a stock of duty-free smokes, intended to be issued to sailors once back home under strict Canada Customs rules.

The navy's anti-smoking rules forbid canteens from selling cheaper duty-free tobacco so as not to encourage smokers.

To get around the restriction, the canteen operators simply tacked on an extra $33.75 per carton, the equivalent of Canadian tobacco duties.

The move "respect(ed) the spirit of the policy, since it did not promote smoking through lower prices but simply allowed us to provide the same level of service despite the shortage caused by the extension of our deployment," says a report obtained under the Access to Information Act.

Ship officials considered turning over that extra cash to Canada Customs but decided against it, since federal regulations were silent on the matter. Instead, the profits were used to subsidize the cost of beer.

"This is a solution that allowed us to adapt to the situation without breaking any regulation," says the report.

The standard beer price is $1 a can in the ship's three messes, a price approved by the captain. But as supplies dried up during the tropical voyage, officials were forced to pay almost $2 a can in Ghana to restock.

Hefty cigarette profits of about $2,500 more than offset the loss of $1 for every can of beer sold.

Balancing the books is mandatory because canteens and messes must not draw on taxpayer money, using only so-called non-public funds (NPF), that is, the cash in sailors' pockets. Small profits are permitted, which can be used for barbecues, sports equipment or anything that might help morale.

"While it can be argued that sponsoring alcohol sales is unethical, the sale of beer has been the most important source of revenue," says the report.

"And charging twice the price to the crew due to the circumstances surrounding this operation would have gone against the role of the NPF onboard."

A navy spokesman said the ship's captain, Cmdr. Gilles Couturier, was faced with a tough decision and could not consult with headquarters because of strict secrecy surrounding the operation.

"Under the circumstances, there isn't a hell of a lot of other choices you could have made," Cmdr. Jeff Agnew said in an interview.

"It won't change any of our policies. . . . This was looked at as a bit of a one-time thing."

The report says the crew performed well during Operation Chabanel, working three hours to haul the hashish bales aboard from an RCMP-chartered deep-sea vessel.

Once the hash was unloaded in Halifax, the warship's storage area had to be repainted three times to eradicate the pungent odour.





sounds like a fun time to me
 
Two news articles in one day that center around the military and drinking.  Just waiting now for the one to come out about the AF.  ::)
 
Sssh! Don't let the people know that the Air Force drinks beer and wine.  Let the Navy and Army take all the heat.  ;D

I'm sure we'll get ours in due time.  :cheers:

 
Warship gets creative to address beer shortage
Updated Sun. Mar. 4 2007 4:27 PM ET

Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- A Canadian warship pressed into service to help catch drug-runners off the African coast last year did a little dealing of its own, newly disclosed documents show.

An apparent loophole in navy rules allowed HMCS Fredericton to subsidize the cost of beer for the crew by using profits from the normally forbidden sale of duty-free tobacco.

The unusual cross-subsidization occurred during Operation Chabanel, an elaborate RCMP-led sting to seize 22.5 tonnes of hashish off the coast of Angola. The smuggled dope was destined for Montreal.

HMCS Fredericton's report on the 44-day mission shows officials ran a nicotine-and-alcohol operation on the side as they struggled to provide two of a sailor's favourite vices.

The frigate was on fisheries patrol on the Grand Banks last spring when it was unexpectedly diverted to support the RCMP sting operation off Africa.

The secret assignment meant a surprise extension of the voyage by several weeks -- bad news for smokers, who carried only enough cigarettes to get them through to the end of April.

There was a run on cigarettes at the ship's canteen until all that was left was a stock of duty-free smokes, intended to be issued to sailors once back home under strict Canada Customs rules.

The navy's anti-smoking rules forbid canteens from selling cheaper duty-free tobacco so as not to encourage smokers.

To get around the restriction, the canteen operators simply tacked on an extra $33.75 per carton, the equivalent of Canadian tobacco duties.

The move "respect(ed) the spirit of the policy, since it did not promote smoking through lower prices but simply allowed us to provide the same level of service despite the shortage caused by the extension of our deployment,'' says a report obtained under the Access to Information Act.

Ship officials considered turning over that extra cash to Canada Customs but decided against it, since federal regulations were silent on the matter. Instead, the profits were used to subsidize the cost of beer.
"This is a solution that allowed us to adapt to the situation without breaking any regulation,'' says the report.

The standard beer price is $1 a can in the ship's three messes, a price approved by the captain. But as supplies dried up during the tropical voyage, officials were forced to pay almost $2 a can in Ghana to restock.

Hefty cigarette profits of about $2,500 more than offset the loss of $1 for every can of beer sold.

Balancing the books is mandatory because canteens and messes must not draw on taxpayer money, using only so-called non-public funds (NPF), that is, the cash in sailors' pockets. Small profits are permitted, which can be used for barbecues, sports equipment or anything that might help morale.

"While it can be argued that sponsoring alcohol sales is unethical, the sale of beer has been the most important source of revenue,'' says the report.

"And charging twice the price to the crew due to the circumstances surrounding this operation would have gone against the role of the NPF onboard.''

A navy spokesman said the ship's captain, Cmdr. Gilles Couturier, was faced with a tough decision and could not consult with headquarters because of strict secrecy surrounding the operation.

"Under the circumstances, there isn't a hell of a lot of other choices you could have made,'' Cmdr. Jeff Agnew said in an interview.

"It won't change any of our policies. ... This was looked at as a bit of a one-time thing.''

The report says the crew performed well during Operation Chabanel, working three hours to haul the hashish bales aboard from an RCMP-chartered deep-sea vessel.

Once the hash was unloaded in Halifax, the warship's storage area had to be repainted three times to eradicate the pungent odour.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

I'm sorry to go off on a little tangent here, but isn't "Fisheries Patrol" supposed to be more of a Canadian Coast Guard job as well? Or does Marcom do it more nowadays since the CCG was slammed in a recent govt. report for its ineptitude, as stated in another thread? Just curious, but then again, the second question might be infringing on OPSEC.



 
CougarKing said:
I'm sorry to go off on a little tangent here, but isn't "Fisheries Patrol" supposed to be more of a Canadian Coast Guard job as well? Or does Marcom do it more nowadays since the CCG was slammed in a recent govt. report for its ineptitude, as stated in another thread? Just curious, but then again, the second question might be infringing on OPSEC.

There's another thread on this topic already, but Navy ships have always done fisheries patrols as a supplement to CCG patrols.  There will usually be 3 or 4 DFO personnel that ride along to do the inspections.  I wouldn't say the fisheries patrols done by HMC Ships are any more or less frequent than they have been in the past.  Just another tasking for the ships...
 
Just a little note- I did do a search under "HMCS Fredericton" but didn't find anything directly related (I should have looked deeper, I suppose). I guess it's time for a thread merge.

 
That's cause it's here,

Loophole in navy rules allows ship to offer cheap beer to crew

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/58256.0.html
 
Cougarking......Its called " support to other government departments", look it up
 
Here's one to make my blood boil. Why is this a story do you think?? Maybe a pro dope journalist who wants to dis credit the Canadian Navy? I don't know some times they just make me mad :rage:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Search/562746.html

Loophole kept warship crew in cheap suds

By DEAN BEEBY The Canadian Press

OTTAWA — A Canadian warship pressed into service to help catch drug-runners off the African coast last year did a little dealing of its own, newly disclosed documents show.

An apparent loophole in navy rules allowed HMCS Fredericton to subsidize the cost of beer for the crew by using profits from the normally forbidden sale of duty-free tobacco.

The unusual cross-subsidization occurred during Operation Chabanel, an elaborate RCMP-led sting to seize 22.5 tonnes of hashish off the coast of Angola. The smuggled dope was destined for Montreal.

HMCS Fredericton’s report on the 44-day mission shows officials ran a nicotine-and-alcohol operation on the side as they struggled to provide two of a sailor’s favourite vices.

The frigate was on fisheries patrol on the Grand Banks last spring when it was unexpectedly diverted to support the RCMP sting operation off Africa.

The secret assignment meant a surprise extension of the voyage by several weeks — bad news for smokers, who carried only enough cigarettes to get them through to the end of April.

There was a run on cigarettes at the ship’s canteen until all that was left was a stock of duty-free smokes, intended to be issued to sailors once back home under strict Canada Customs rules.

The navy’s anti-smoking rules forbid canteens from selling cheaper duty-free tobacco so as not to encourage smokers.

To get around the restriction, the canteen operators simply tacked on an extra $33.75 per carton, the equivalent of Canadian tobacco duties.

The move "respect(ed) the spirit of the policy, since it did not promote smoking through lower prices but simply allowed us to provide the same level of service despite the shortage caused by the extension of our deployment," says a report obtained under the Access to Information Act.

Ship officials considered turning over that extra cash to Canada Customs but decided against it, since federal regulations were silent on the matter. Instead, the profits were used to subsidize the cost of beer.

"This is a solution that allowed us to adapt to the situation without breaking any regulation," says the report.

The standard beer price is $1 a can in the ship’s three messes, a price approved by the captain. But as supplies dried up during the tropical voyage, officials were forced to pay almost $2 a can in Ghana to restock.

Hefty cigarette profits of about $2,500 more than offset the loss of $1 for every can of beer sold.

Balancing the books is mandatory because canteens and messes must not draw on taxpayer money, using only so-called non-public funds (NPF), that is, the cash in sailors’ pockets. Small profits are permitted, which can be used for barbecues, sports equipment or anything that might help morale.

"While it can be argued that sponsoring alcohol sales is unethical, the sale of beer has been the most important source of revenue," says the report.

"And charging twice the price to the crew due to the circumstances surrounding this operation would have gone against the role of the NPF onboard."

A navy spokesman said the ship’s captain, Cmdr. Gilles Couturier, was faced with a tough decision and could not consult with headquarters because of strict secrecy surrounding the operation.

"Under the circumstances, there isn’t a hell of a lot of other choices you could have made," Cmdr. Jeff Agnew said in an interview.

"It won’t change any of our policies . . . This was looked at as a bit of a one-time thing."

The report says the crew performed well during Operation Chabanel, working three hours to haul the hashish bales aboard from an RCMP-chartered deep-sea vessel.

Once the hash was unloaded in Halifax, the warship’s storage area had to be repainted three times to eradicate the pungent odour.



 
People, please.....take a look around before posting news articles.  Chances are its been posted already. Just creates work forthe staff and it will only take you a minute

army.ca staff
 
CDN Aviator said:
People, please.....take a look around before posting news articles.  Chances are its been posted already. Just creates work forthe staff and it will only take you a minute

army.ca staff

Sorry bout that...I did a quick search and didn't see it......will have to look closer next time.

My question is why is this news?
I did a little search on the author and find that he is an Access to Info guru (and chief of the Halifax Bureau) here.

They never tell you the whole story of course. These guys were'nt exactly near a corner store where they could slip out and buy a pack of smokes or a six pack of beer to enjoy while watching TV in the evening.

I'm still not sure why this is news but he has done articles on medical use of marijuana in the past too so maybe there is an agenda here??
 
IN HOC SIGNO,

Bang on! Why the hell is this news?

I'm not sure the origin of the rule, but the ships are only allowed to give out duty free booze and smokes once a month even though you could go 3 or 4 times outside 12nm and then back in again every month. I had a buddy back home that worked in Michigan, he brought a bottle of duty free booze and a carton of smokes home with him every weekend.
 
Inch said:
IN HOC SIGNO,

Bang on! Why the hell is this news?

I'm not sure the origin of the rule, but the ships are only allowed to give out duty free booze and smokes once a month even though you could go 3 or 4 times outside 12nm and then back in again every month. I had a buddy back home that worked in Michigan, he brought a bottle of duty free booze and a carton of smokes home with him every weekend.

You see it was due to knobs like this reporter that we lost the priveledge to have this all the time.
When I first joined (when Adam was a Killick  ;D) we bought our smokes on board and they were duty free (.25 a pack) and you had to open them on board and have at least one out of it before taking it ashore.
The drinks at the bar were always duty free and of course you weren't allowed to take any ashore.

Coming back from a trip the same rules as for everyone else who is out of country applied and you could bring a duty free bottle and carton of smokes ashore.

It was a nice kinda perk you got for being away from home so much...but of course in the true spirit of the age they'd hate to see us get a break wouldn't they? ::)
 
we bought our smokes on board and they were duty free (.25 a pack) and you had to open them on board and have at least one out of it before taking it ashore.

ahh, the good ol' days IN HOC SIGNO; when I was stationed at Stad hosp when it was a real hospital (+20 years ago), one of my buddies was the tiffy on board. We would get invited down to the ship on a friday night after work, have a 'few' wobblies, and a wack of us would head down to the Deck and always end up at the 'New' Palace at 0 dark 30.  We'd always meet at Peddler's next day at noon for 'brunch' and start all over again...good memories  ^-^
 
I was on the HMCS Fraser in 1993, a mate of mine was a crew member. It was Halifax, and I had a great time. I was out that way on course. it was the Canada Day long weekend. He took me into the mess ( I think he called it the 'main cave' or something). It was tiny, and the walls were painted black, Aerosmith was blasting away.

A shot of Lambs Navy rum was 25c, and the coke was 75c. I did not mind, and 10 bucks later we staggered off the ship, and another wild night had begun.

I had always thought it was Navy tradition on ships for cheap booze and cancer sticks.
Looks like the happy days are over  :-[ .

Regards,

Wes
 
xo31@711ret said:
we bought our smokes on board and they were duty free (.25 a pack) and you had to open them on board and have at least one out of it before taking it ashore.

ahh, the good ol' days IN HOC SIGNO; when I was stationed at Stad hosp when it was a real hospital (+20 years ago), one of my buddies was the tiffy on board. We would get invited down to the ship on a friday night after work, have a 'few' wobblies, and a wack of us would head down to the Deck and always end up at the 'New' Palace at 0 dark 30.  We'd always meet at Peddler's next day at noon for 'brunch' and start all over again...good memories  ^-^

Yup yup and yup. I wasn't a Padre in those days (had to do something to atone for my sins ha ha) but we would go down to the Old Forge (now Legends) or over to the Hug and Slug (ANAF). It was 1978 and Disco was King!! ha ha.
 
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