Lot's of Idiots
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A degree in History from McGill?! Scary thought that this person does not know about Canada's contribution to the Normandy landings...
But can we blame McGill really...this sort of stuff should be taught in high school...heck, primary school even...but now everything's being taken over by social historians who would rather talk about the factory workers in England who suffered so dearly during the war...fair enough, I'm sure they did...but what about the lads who were ummmm, dying in Normandy!
The fact that alot of Canadians don't know about Canada and the D-Day is a sad reflection on our primary and secondary educational system just as much as it is on our post-secondary education system.
I did my undergrad in history at Queen's, and no joke folks it was impossible to get any courses on Military History there...it was ridiculous in fact...I took a course on British History and the prof turned it into a feminist history of Britain course...I was so choked...If thats what people want to learn that's fine with me and I have nothing against social history...but when professor are deliberately taking over general history courses to spout of some personal agenda...well that's just wrong! Not once did we look at D-Day or anything like that!
So no wonder people from McGill and Queen's have no idea about Canadian military history!
Man I could go on for hours...this is Jack Granatstein 101 people...read "Who Killed Canadian HIstory?" and you'll all know what I'm gettting at!
Rant over!
But can we blame McGill really...this sort of stuff should be taught in high school...heck, primary school even...but now everything's being taken over by social historians who would rather talk about the factory workers in England who suffered so dearly during the war...fair enough, I'm sure they did...but what about the lads who were ummmm, dying in Normandy!
The fact that alot of Canadians don't know about Canada and the D-Day is a sad reflection on our primary and secondary educational system just as much as it is on our post-secondary education system.
I did my undergrad in history at Queen's, and no joke folks it was impossible to get any courses on Military History there...it was ridiculous in fact...I took a course on British History and the prof turned it into a feminist history of Britain course...I was so choked...If thats what people want to learn that's fine with me and I have nothing against social history...but when professor are deliberately taking over general history courses to spout of some personal agenda...well that's just wrong! Not once did we look at D-Day or anything like that!
So no wonder people from McGill and Queen's have no idea about Canadian military history!
Man I could go on for hours...this is Jack Granatstein 101 people...read "Who Killed Canadian HIstory?" and you'll all know what I'm gettting at!
Rant over!
Regarding The Crowe's request for a real history person to comment on the thread re the troops the Canadians faced on D Day and, by extension, later in Normandy, I believe I can clarify the question.
Juno Beach was defended by 716 Infantry Division (716 ID), a static division of relarively good quality. It had a strength of about 7600 all ranks, although the headquarters and two battalions of one of its two infantry regiments had been detached to another division. 716 ID had four of its own battalions as well as two "East Battalions," units made up of ex-Soviet POWs, and a battalion of 21 Panzer Division under command. Not surprisingly, the East Battalions proved ineffective and actually disintegrated before any real contact with the Canadians. The rest of the division fought well, as could be expected of German troops, and inflicted the second highest casualties of D Day - after Omaha Beach - on the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division and its attached troops.
12 SS Panzer Division, the Hitler Youth division, was in a reserve position well inland near the Seine River. This division began to move forward in the afternoon of D Day, but was not in position until the next day. Its orders were to throw the Allies back into the sea like fish. Despite some success in blunting the advance of 9 Canadian Brigade that day, and a local success at Putot-en-Bessin on 8 June, it failed in its first and most important operational task of the war. It is also noteworthy that its counter-attack tasks were all in the Canadian sector.
Hope this helps.
Juno Beach was defended by 716 Infantry Division (716 ID), a static division of relarively good quality. It had a strength of about 7600 all ranks, although the headquarters and two battalions of one of its two infantry regiments had been detached to another division. 716 ID had four of its own battalions as well as two "East Battalions," units made up of ex-Soviet POWs, and a battalion of 21 Panzer Division under command. Not surprisingly, the East Battalions proved ineffective and actually disintegrated before any real contact with the Canadians. The rest of the division fought well, as could be expected of German troops, and inflicted the second highest casualties of D Day - after Omaha Beach - on the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division and its attached troops.
12 SS Panzer Division, the Hitler Youth division, was in a reserve position well inland near the Seine River. This division began to move forward in the afternoon of D Day, but was not in position until the next day. Its orders were to throw the Allies back into the sea like fish. Despite some success in blunting the advance of 9 Canadian Brigade that day, and a local success at Putot-en-Bessin on 8 June, it failed in its first and most important operational task of the war. It is also noteworthy that its counter-attack tasks were all in the Canadian sector.
Hope this helps.
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Not quite sure buddy. I haven't been on one in a while
Was just told the americans would be playing OPFOR for us.
That discussion with the kids being idiots from that game forum is a mix between funny HAHA and funny 'your a bunch of morons.'
On a serious note though, I think many of "us" are almost guilty of the same thing. Im sure these kids hear some shit somewhere, ie the canadians sent 30 troops to D-Day, and then they pass it off like concrete information as we've seen on their web site right?
How many times have soldiers in this forum alone passed off something "they heard from an instructor" that was quite wrong?
One example that comes to mind is the geneva convention and how much people seem to butcher whats "ilegal" and whats not.
Theres tons of examples.
When troops become instructors they should make sure they don't make up answers, guess or talk out of their ass to try and impress new recruits. (I've seen so many new master corporals try and make up for inexperience by acting like a know it all)
If your a troop and you hear someone being a goof passing off wrong information, sort them out.
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"but when professor are deliberately taking over general history courses to spout of some personal agenda...well that's just wrong"
It's not confined to just history Ready, I did some English courses at Memorial here in St.John's and the profs were constantly hijacking the courses for the feminist social struggle etc, etc. And getting a military history course, you had a better chance of getting an Engineer who knows economics (sorry, had to take that shot, I did business ;D)
It's not confined to just history Ready, I did some English courses at Memorial here in St.John's and the profs were constantly hijacking the courses for the feminist social struggle etc, etc. And getting a military history course, you had a better chance of getting an Engineer who knows economics (sorry, had to take that shot, I did business ;D)
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