LPC leadership race - 2025

[Fishbone Jones]

If Trump's objectives were to get us to cleave closer to the US and away from China, he's going about it the wrong way.

Up until 3 weeks ago, there was a lot of support for weaning our economy off Beijing. That has since gone into full reverse.

Honey works better than vinegar.

You guys still don't understand how Trump works and I'm tired of trying to explain it.

I’m not a fan of expanding exports to China for China’s sake; just that Canadian producers need customers and too many of our eggs are in one basket. Ideally we’ll work aggressively to reduce trade barriers and open up export markets as ‘everywhere else’ as possible. Next year’s customers needn’t match next week’s. But we do need next week customers along the way. The U.S. administration seems determined to reduce the extent to which they’re that customer. Ok, their prerogative. We do need to adapt though.

Perhaps if we had an honest government we could likely find enough world customers that we wouldn't need to sell anything to the communists. I have zero problem divesting our trade away from the states, but we don't need to run headlong into the arms of Bejing in an effort to do it. We could have had deals for lots and lots of our LNG but trudeau screwed that up like a piker. And before we go looking for customers we need to guarantee the product delivery, which at the moment is next to impossible without the infrastructure. So don't be in such a hurry to tell the States to shove off or we'll just be here scratching our nuts until we get stuff built. Which won't happen under the liberals.

Why not just do what Trump did. Tell China they get shit until their drugs and criminal activity stop affecting us and North America. We don't need their EVs or battery components anyway. That industry is all but dead. And it was trudeau who invited them in here with billions of our tax dollars to run their battery plants of which, in relation, Canada gets next to nothing out of it. I don't see any of those battery plants still working in five years. I know intimately how their companies work here.

They're criminals of the most heinous kind and we have no business enabling them by trading with them. People like trudeau and Carney will though, because they have no loyalty or human dignity, except to themselves and their stock portfolio.

 

[brihard]

You guys still don't understand how Trump works and I'm tired of trying to explain it.

Perhaps if we had an honest government we could likely find enough world customers that we wouldn't need to sell anything to the communists. I have zero problem divesting our trade away from the states, but we don't need to run headlong into the arms of Bejing in an effort to do it. We could have had deals for lots and lots of our LNG but trudeau screwed that up like a piker. And before we go looking for customers we need to guarantee the product delivery, which at the moment is next to impossible without the infrastructure. So don't be in such a hurry to tell the States to shove off or we'll just be here scratching our nuts until we get stuff built. Which won't happen under the liberals.

Why not just do what Trump did. Tell China they get shit until their drugs and criminal activity stop affecting us and North America. We don't need their EVs or battery components anyway. That industry is all but dead. And it was trudeau who invited them in here with billions of our tax dollars to run their battery plants of which, in relation, Canada gets next to nothing out of it. I don't see any of those battery plants still working in five years. I know intimately how their companies work here.

They're criminals of the most heinous kind and we have no business enabling them by trading with them. People like trudeau and Carney will though, because they have no loyalty or human dignity, except to themselves and their stock portfolio.

India then? That’s the next biggest country by population and has its own challenges with respecting our sovereignty, followed by the US. Those three countries are what, 38% of the world’s population?

Canada needs to sell its goods. As I said, next year’s export markets needn’t be next week’s, but next week we need customers. So far as I can tell Canada does still have the ability to move bulk cargo to ports by rail and then to put it on ships.

Yea let’s build petrochemical transport infrastructure to tidewater. I’ve been saying that through this discussion. But that does nothing for us next week or next month. We needn’t ’run into the arms’ of China; just put a price tag on stuff we dig up or make and let them choose to buy it.

Remember that it’s not really Canada selling to the U.S. or China or Malaysia or what have you. It’s Stelco. It’s Alcan. It’s Potash Corp. and hits to their business aren’t simply a hit to Canada; it’s employees, and investors.

We can offer our goods at fair market value; Chinese companies, like any others, can buy them or not. Maybe it helps reduce our $3.5b trade deficit with them a bit. Ideally there are multiple potential purchasers competing for what we offer and we can charge a bit more. But right now our by far biggest purchaser is using that leverage against us, so it’s wise to move the fulcrum a bit. Take the options open now, and plan and build to take the options next month, next year, and next decade.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Better or worse than one who won't recognize the Northwest Passage isn't Canadian? Discuss ... Gotta be careful about dealing with China, for sure, but also gotta be careful about dealing with the US more than in the past, too.

And we're damn lucky the US is watching it and showing a presence for security. Because God knows, we're too lazy, disinterested, cheap and stupid to do it for ourselves. Every maritime nation needs a proficient and capable navy. If they can't or won't, it will be someone else's.

I see that a lot more different than sending a government ship from China for the sole purpose of spying on us.

Or flying balloons over us while our Chinese friendly government ignores them and looks the other way.

 

[ArmyRick]

And we're damn lucky the US is watching it and showing a presence for security. Because God knows, we're too lazy, disinterested, cheap and stupid to do it for ourselves. Every maritime nation needs a proficient and capable navy. If they can't or won't, it will be someone else's.

I see that a lot more different than sending a government ship from China for the sole purpose of spying on us.

Or flying balloons over us while our Chinese friendly government ignores them and looks the other way.

The Trudeau/Carney Liberals ignore every obvious problem until it becomes a crisis. Too many people here refuse to see it and are willfully blind.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

India then? That’s the next biggest country by population and has its own challenges with respecting our sovereignty, followed by the US. Those three countries are what, 38% of the world’s population?

Canada needs to sell its goods. As I said, next year’s export markets needn’t be next week’s, but next week we need customers. So far as I can tell Canada does still have the ability to move bulk cargo to ports by rail and then to put it on ships.

Yea let’s build petrochemical transport infrastructure to tidewater. I’ve been saying that through this discussion. But that does nothing for us next week or next month. We needn’t ’run into the arms’ of China; just put a price tag on stuff we dig up or make and let them choose to buy it.

Remember that it’s not really Canada selling to the U.S. or China or Malaysia or what have you. It’s Stelco. It’s Alcan. It’s Potash Corp. and hits to their business aren’t simply a hit to Canada; it’s employees, and investors.

We can offer our goods at fair market value; Chinese companies, like any others, can buy them or not. Maybe it helps reduce our $3.5b trade deficit with them a bit. Ideally there are multiple potential purchasers competing for what we offer and we can charge a bit more. But right now our by far biggest purchaser is using that leverage against us, so it’s wise to move the fulcrum a bit. Take the options open now, and plan and build to take the options next month, next year, and next decade.

Nobody whether public or private can do anything with our government putting up roadblocks and surcharges on its citizens and corporations. Not now, not next year and not until we kick the current bunch of clowns to the curb.

It would take 5000 rail tankers a day, to move Alberta's daily oil production.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

WTF?

Carney: Why is an unelected Liberal man getting secret briefings while Parliament is shuttered?​

 

[brihard]

WTF?

Carney: Why is an unelected Liberal man getting secret briefings while Parliament is shuttered?​

He’s a top contender for party leader and for being PM during a time of national crisis. He’s probably going to lead the country for a time and presumably takes that fact seriously. Why would he not get a security clearance and be kept reasonably informed and reasonably up to speed at a decent level so he can carry out his duties immediately if he’s chosen?

There are varying levels of classified briefings. I’m sure he’s not getting anything close to the most sensitive stuff (that will change to an extent if he becomes PM), but the only responsible COA in his position is to be as informed as he’s able to be in the (seemingly likely) event that he’s our PM in a month.

Needless to say a lot of people are not in elected roles but are still afforded access to classified material when they are appropriately cleared and when it serves the national interest for them to have that information.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Done for the night. Got a headache, BP is up along with my neck.

L8r dudes and dudettes.

 

[brihard]

Done for the night. Got a headache, BP is up along with my neck.

L8r dudes and dudettes.

Have a good night. Headaches suck, I hope it passes.

 

[Quirky]

The Trudeau/Carney Liberals ignore every obvious problem until it becomes a crisis. Too many people here refuse to see it and are willfully blind.

Anytime you hear the phrase “more work needs to be done” on XXXX issue, that’s when you know they let it become a crisis through incompetence.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Anytime you hear the phrase “more work needs to be done” on XXXX issue, that’s when you know they let it become a crisis through incompetence.

Good point - and that ain't just a Team Red approach.

Meanwhile, no word yet on the voting rules for the Running of the Red Snakes as of 0930E ....

In the immortal words of Darius Kincaid ....

 

[Rifleman62]

Why would he not get a security clearance and be kept reasonably informed and reasonably up to speed....

We do not know if Carney has a security clearance.
I bet he doesn't, and/or possibly in progress,
He has not, and so far refuses to disclose any conflicts of interest. Of course he is not an elected MP yet, but he is acting as the PM.

 

[ArmyRick]

Mark Carney should NOT be receiving security clearances and/or briefings from cabinet (as he has been receiving) UNLESS all LPC leadership candidates are also receiving it.

Otherwise (as the rumours suggest) this really is a sham of a leadership race and it is really a coronation

 

[Rifleman62]

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[Quirky]

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Not the leader we need, but the leader we deserve.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Not the leader we need, but the leader we deserve.

After 9 years we deserve a leader that cares about Canada and Canadians. Not someone interested in making his wallet fatter with taxpayer money and selling out to China.

 

[Quirky]

After 9 years we deserve a leader that cares about Canada and Canadians. Not someone interested in making his wallet fatter with taxpayer money and selling out to China.

Is that what Canadians really want though? Polls are shifting towards maintaining the status quo. You would think with the way things are they'd be clamoring towards a change, any change.

 

[Jarnhamar]

He’s a top contender for party leader and for being PM during a time of national crisis.

Unelected man who isn't a member of parliament getting secret briefings from cabinet ministers while the government is prorogued.

What's his official position in government right now, special advisor and the chair of the Liberal task force on economic growth? Weird.

If the government has already decided Carney will be the next PM (which im pretty sure we all agree on) why are other wannabe leaders duping thousands of Canadians out of election donations?

Needless to say a lot of people are not in elected roles but are still afforded access to classified material when they are appropriately cleared and when it serves the national interest for them to have that information.

I wonder if Carney is the only wannabe getting these briefings. The other half dozen runners should get them as well.

 

[brihard]

Unelected man who isn't a member of parliament getting secret briefings from cabinet ministers while the government is prorogued.

What's his official position in government right now, special advisor and the chair of the Liberal task force on economic growth? Weird.

If the government has already decided Carney will be the next PM (which im pretty sure we all agree on) why are other wannabe leaders duping thousands of Canadians out of election donations?


I wonder if Carney is the only wannabe getting these briefings. The other half dozen runners should get them as well.

I’m fine with any likely contender for PM getting some degree of sensitive briefings if they’re subjected to the security clearance process. Same as my thoughts towards other party leaders. He does at least have a position that merits access to certain information at present as well. Our current crisis is economic in nature.

I can’t speak to why any other contender save for Freeland thinks they’re meaningfully in play.

It serves Canada’s national interest to ensure current or imminently likely leaders are adequately informed about what’s going on affecting Canada beyond what they can read on CBC. That’s not a partisan position. If we had a CPC government currently selecting a new leader, I would have the exact same opinion about any of the evident frontrunners getting briefed. Sitting in Parliament is a red herring- most MPs neither need nor have access to classified material.

 

[ArmyRick]

If I were a Liberal (I can't join as I am a CPC member), I would support Ruby. This is the kind of Liberal Canada needs, not Mark Carney