LPC leadership race - 2025

[Halifax Tar]

Even Fox News seems to have picked up what you are saying.

Trump’s threats against Canada boost Trudeau's Liberal Party in the polls as new tariffs set to begin

Concern over Trump’s tariffs and annexation has found Canadians leaning Liberal with the prospect of a new leader who is set to take over from Trudeau in the next few days.

www.foxnews.com

Maybe that's what they want ?

 

[Remius]

Maybe that's what they want ?

Likely none of the above if Trump’s comments are anything to go off of.

 

[FSTO]

Canada needs the LPC to be taken to the woodshed and get that arrogance beaten out of them again. If this country elects a Carney led government, then we will have elected once again the exact same bunch that supported Trudeau and Wynne. Nothing will change and the LPC will have learned that they are omnipotent and they can feed buckets of cash to their friends, keep their friends free of competition, and keep them free from facing any sort of legal or financial consequences for their self serving actions.
If Singh had pulled the trigger prior to the US election, the LPC would of had an actual come to Jesus moment and be forced to change their ways. But that didn't happen, the LPC will retain at a minimum opposition status and maybe even government status. But they will learn nothing and change nothing in the way they operate and the country will be poorer for it.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Canada needs the LPC to be taken to the woodshed and get that arrogance beaten out of them again. If this country elects a Carney led government, then we will have elected once again the exact same bunch that supported Trudeau and Wynne. Nothing will change and the LPC will have learned that they are omnipotent and they can feed buckets of cash to their friends, keep their friends free of competition, and keep them free from facing any sort of legal or financial consequences for their self serving actions.
If Singh had pulled the trigger prior to the US election, the LPC would of had an actual come to Jesus moment and be forced to change their ways. But that didn't happen, the LPC will retain at a minimum opposition status and maybe even government status. But they will learn nothing and change nothing in the way they operate and the country will be poorer for it.

Well, as long as he comes with a translator we're probably good

“The bad outcomes that macroprudential policies prevent have to be estimated. But counterfactuals are difficult to sell: ‘it could have been worse’ doesn’t quite have the ring of ‘you’ve never had it so good’.”

― Mark Carney

 

[Quirky]

Canada needs the LPC to be taken to the woodshed and get that arrogance beaten out of them again. If this country elects a Carney led government, then we will have elected once again the exact same bunch that supported Trudeau and Wynne. Nothing will change and the LPC will have learned that they are omnipotent and they can feed buckets of cash to their friends, keep their friends free of competition, and keep them free from facing any sort of legal or financial consequences for their self serving actions.

Carbon tax goes up again, significantly, April 1st. Be careful who you elect Canadians!

 

[FSTO]

“The bad outcomes that macroprudential policies prevent have to be estimated. But counterfactuals are difficult to sell: ‘it could have been worse’ doesn’t quite have the ring of ‘you’ve never had it so good’.”

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Can we get Kamala Harris in here to translate this liberal horseshit?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Can we get Kamala Harris in here to translate this liberal horseshit?

Like this?

 

[Blackadder1916]

Well, as long as he comes with a translator we're probably good

“The bad outcomes that macroprudential policies prevent have to be estimated. But counterfactuals are difficult to sell: ‘it could have been worse’ doesn’t quite have the ring of ‘you’ve never had it so good’.”

― Mark Carney

Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla!

I don't think I'll buy the book that Carney wrote that in. It's probably a financial wonk book by and for financial wonks. Likely as easy a read as his phd thesis.

I'd suggest listening to this podcast with Carney and Bruce Flatt, CEO of Brookfield, taking about what that company does for an essence of the man, but half the time I'm not sure who's talking (they both sound very similar). If you get to 6:51, Flatt(?) succinctly describes the basis of Brookfield - buy an existing asset when it's cheap, sell it when someone will pay more (the same principle of a second hand store).

A Conversation with Bruce Flatt and Mark Carney | Brookfield

www.brookfield.com

 

[Furniture]

Like this?

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I mean, he has a solid point in that one. He's warning against Robber Barons... Like Musk.

Not that I trust technocrats like him any more than the Robber Barons, just that he has a point. Capitalism only really works well when there is enough wealth distributed widely enough to spur innovation and allow for purchases beyond the absolute necessities.

 

[Good2Golf]

Carney’s poor performance in the debates seems to have had an impact on the polling. Con’s back into low/mid-40s and LPC down to 30.

Conservatives rebound with voters, regain double-digit lead as Liberals slide: poll

The Conservatives have restored a double digit polling advantage over the Liberals after seeing polls tighten in recent weeks.

nationalpost.com

 

[Remius]

Carney’s poor performance in the debates seems to have had an impact on the polling. Con’s back into low/mid-40s and LPC down to 30.

Conservatives rebound with voters, regain double-digit lead as Liberals slide: poll

The Conservatives have restored a double digit polling advantage over the Liberals after seeing polls tighten in recent weeks.

nationalpost.com

Not sure it would be the debates as opposed to the polls finding its natural alignement or still calibrating as Carney emerges as the presumed leader. As I mentioned, sometimes parties do better without leaders. Even if the contest isn’t decided, the electorate are convinced that Carney is the new LPC leader.

As some of us have pointed out, this upcoming election campaign will matter.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Not sure it would be the debates as opposed to the polls finding its natural alignement or still calibrating as Carney emerges as the presumed leader. As I mentioned, sometimes parties do better without leaders. Even if the contest isn’t decided, the electorate are convinced that Carney is the new LPC leader.

As some of us have pointed out, this upcoming election campaign will matter.

That is my thinking.

With the Liberals in a leadership contest, anyone being polled can project which ever leader they want on their polling intentions.

Once someone is elected, it crystallizes the choice and then I think we start to see more accurate polling.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Moving to this thread to not sidebar to much from Tariff talk.

Good move thanks.

Willing to wait and assess for myself how relevant the last ten years are to what is on offer now.

I've always found the past is a good indicator of the future.

A. A lot of ink was spilled on how autocratic JT was, the extent to which he was the LPC, how much power had been concentrated. That knife cuts both ways- and enables a hard pivot if it's enacted at the top. On this side of the fence- we saw how much the CPC changed going from O'Toole to Poilievre. New leader, (potentially) new party and direction.

Directions can change pretty quickly. Back and forth. Will a new leader change the culture of the party? Personally I doubt it. If anything Carney's lying is right at home.

B. On the P's of Poilievre

• Personality- he has crafted a patently dislikable (not the same as unlikeable) persona, far from stateman like, and while he is certainly not Trump, he certainly has borrowed some of his messaging both in style and substance, which further contributes to rubbing a lot of Canadians the wrong way
• Policy/Platform- he's early 00's Reformer and devout Flanagan school acolyte, whose views by his own admission (boast actually) haven't changed since undergrad. So he's unflinchingly and unwaveringly committed to an ideology and vision that while that's while neither "alt-right" nor "far-right", is as far right as you can go in the mainstream of the Canadian Overton window.

So the CPC is running an un-flexible and dislikeable leader, whose ideas and vision are solidly to one wing of what needs to be a big tent, and had their collective lunch eaten by a centre left version of the LPC 20 years ago before said tent broadening and shift centre with the PC merger. That's not a recipe for a win under any normal circumstance.

People are also looking for any reason possible not to like Poilievre. Being a life long politician is one of my favorites. Any other professional career a life long practitioner would be considered a SME. Since Poilievre hasn't sexually assaulted anyone, painted himself black and act like a monkey, or got caught in a dozen ethical scandals they need to start somewhere. People don't like getting called out on their bullshit and thats what Poilievre does.

C. Canada is hungry for change, and specifically for a shift right/to the centre. This was an election Poilievre could win. Canadians didn't have to like him or really buy into his ideology- he just had to be the only viable option to take them in the general direction they wanted- away from Trudeauism.

I don't see that myself. It looks like their happy with the status quo to me. When I watch debates or arguments across social media about Carney his supporters can't even articulate what he's about. Unless they bring up his vast economic experience, but don't seem to clue in that he was Trudeau's financial advisor for the last 5 years. We're not exactly in a great economical position.

D. That's a much harder fight to win man vs. man, ideology vs. ideology.

Where can I go to read about Carney's ideology?

F. The CPC is 100% all in on convincing people that the election is that of C. rather than D. that Carney is a continuation of Trudeau rather than a shift back right to the centre-left. They need that to be believed, whether it is true or not- and as such, I'm not going to take them at their word. Especially with them having demonstrated complete willingness to lie in significant ways about it- such as the nature of the BAM HQ "move"

Can you remind me about the BAM HQ move lie? The Conservatives said moving the headquarters would lose jobs but the move is purely just editing a webpage and couple signs?

 

[Good2Golf]

People are also looking for any reason possible not to like Poilievre. Being a life long politician is one of my favorites. Any other professional career a life long practitioner would be considered a SME.

Businessman seems to be working well.

Since Poilievre hasn't sexually assaulted anyone, painted himself black and act like a monkey, or got caught in a dozen ethical scandals they need to start somewhere. People don't like getting called out on their bullshit and thats what Poilievre does.

You forgot ‘groped a teenage girl’s chest’…

 

[OldSolduer]

I mean, he has a solid point in that one. He's warning against Robber Barons... Like Musk.

Not that I trust technocrats like him any more than the Robber Barons, just that he has a point. Capitalism only really works well when there is enough wealth distributed widely enough to spur innovation and allow for purchases beyond the absolute necessities.

Unchecked capitalism is as bad as unchecked communism.

The coal mines across this country and the miners can attest to that.

 

[MilEME09]

You forgot ‘groped a teenage girl’s chest’…

Are you referring to the fake NDA story that circulated during the 2021 election? That story, along with the calls for JT to resign during the trucker convoy all originated from Russian owned websites. Just a massive psyop to take out the incumbent and destabilize our democracy, and it worked.

 

[QV]

Are you referring to the fake NDA story that circulated during the 2021 election? That story, along with the calls for JT to resign during the trucker convoy all originated from Russian owned websites. Just a massive psyop to take out the incumbent and destabilize our democracy, and it worked.

There are pictures of him with his arm around students and his hand on their chest. By any measure that is at minimum grossly inappropriate for a teacher to be doing with a student.

And his departure from that school is certainly suspect along with his colleague's legal trouble at the time.

Given the information that we know for sure, along with the character and history (groping) of JT, I'd guess there is a lot more to this story and him being the son of a PM had everything to do with it being buried.

 

[Good2Golf]

Are you referring to the fake NDA story that circulated during the 2021 election? That story, along with the calls for JT to resign during the trucker convoy all originated from Russian owned websites. Just a massive psyop to take out the incumbent and destabilize our democracy, and it worked.

No. I’m speaking about the time in 2001 when he was a teacher at Vancouver’s elite West Point Grey Academy and felt that groping the chest of an under 18-year old girl was appropriate…



I only have a son, but if I had a daughter and a teacher did this to her, I would expend a lot of $$$ to sue him and make sure he never did this kind of thing again.

 

[Halifax Tar]

No. I’m speaking about the time in 2001 when he was a teacher at Vancouver’s elite West Point Grey Academy and felt that groping the chest of an under 18-year old girl was appropriate…

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I only have a son, but if I had a daughter and a teacher did this to her, I would expend a lot of $$$ to sue him and make sure he never did this kind of thing again.

I have a daughter. That teacher and I would be having words, with their supervisor and my lawyer present.