Man spits on Fonda

[Britney Spears]

As I stated most of what I passed on to you was told to me by a man I have known for 20+ years, he is an ex-service man and a Vietnam war vet, and I have no reason to believe  he lied to me. I have seen numerous photo's of him and Col Rowe, both in a professional setting and in a "relaxed setting", so I guess you have to make your own opinions.

No problem. I was genuinely curious as to whether there was any hard evidence of those claims, not trying to attack or discredit yourself personally.

 

[larry Strong]

No offense taken , It is a touchy subject and there are lots of myths and rumors going around on this subject.

 

[CADPAT SOLDIER]

http://www.psywarrior.com/rowe.html

Here's a little bit more on Col. Nick Rowe

 

[the 48th regulator]

sorry mates,

for her actions, she very well has deserved a good spit in the face, as she gave to her fellow Americans.  An apology does not erase what she did.  If she wanted us to believe that she regretted what she did, she has had many a decades to repent her mistake.

An apology to stop the protests, so that she can carry on her pissant Career is sad sad sad...


dileas

tess

 

[baboon6]

I read Rowe's book many years ago and my memory may be wrong but this all sounds a bit strange to me. How would the anti-war group have known what Rowe's assignment was? IIRC his name wasn't on any lists of POWs, he was being carried as MIA. He never in fact was in North Vietnam, being moved around between various camps in the South, around the Mekong Delta.

 

[Slim]

http://www.psywarrior.com/rowe.html

Here's a little bit more on Col. Nick Rowe

After reading about Col. Rowe I think of Jane Fonda and want to vomit...

No excuse. None...Ever!

How would the anti-war group have known what Rowe's assignment was?

With all the anti-war stuff in full swing I imagine that there were more like her out there who wanted to "get even" with the system any way they could...They probably did a ton of damage and most were never caught.

After all its only the people you trust who can really screw you! I imagine that many of those"objector"types found their way into the service back then.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Ya spitting on her was gross. Theres no excuse for assault.

I've never been in a war. I've never seen my buddies blown to shit. I haven't spent the last 30 years dealing with those kind of memories.

Jane Fonda did some f*****g stupid stupid things. After what this vet's been through, i'm not going to judge him for   what he did to her. She who seemed to bend over backwards to slap these guys and their sacrifices, in the face.

Jane Fonda has blood on her hands, whats a little spit in the face.




Edited by Slim for language.

 

[KevinB]

Jane Fonda has blood on her hands, whats a little spit in the face.

DITTO


- I don't agree he should have run off though, if he felt enough to do it (I woudl have thrown piss) - at least be man enough to accept the possible punishment

 

[Britney Spears]

So far, there has been no evidence, besides the fellow's own claims, that Micheal Smith was actually a vet, or that he  even has any military background. Certainly if he did, it would not reflect kindly at all upon his organization.

No branch, unit, period of service, nothing. If he showed up at army.ca I would have called him on his BS long ago. Until it is published, I strongly question his claims of being a veteran.

 

[Blackhorse7]

Sorry to those who disagree...

I will say that Jane Fonda should have been tried as an insurgent back when this took place, and that no amount of apologies makes up for what she did.  But with that being said, this coward spits in a woman's face and then RUNS?!?  Despite how I feel about JF, if I had been the next guy in line, Smith would be spitting chicklets all over the floor, and most likely eating a lot of soup through his wired up jaw.  Take her book and burn it in front of her, piss on it, or right after she signs it, throw it in the trash.  DO NOT spit in another person's face.  I can hardly think of a more disgusting and degrading form of assault.

As Dennis Miller says... "but that's just my opinion..."

 

[canadianblue]

Why wasn't this woman charged with Treason. If that is indeed true, imagine what would happen if a Canadian went over to Japan or Germany, and started talking about how great their nations were, and chatting it up with Hitler. All I can say is, she deserved to be spit in the face, especially if she was never punished for her actions against her country.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Why wasn't this woman charged with Treason. If that is indeed true, imagine what would happen if a Canadian went over to Japan or Germany, and started talking about how great their nations were, and chatting it up with Hitler. All I can say is, she deserved to be spit in the face, especially if she was never punished for her actions against her country.

You mean like Canadian Prime Minister Mackenzie-King in 1937?

Regarding his meeting with Hitler, King recorded: "My sizing up of the man as I sat and talked with him was that he is really one who truly loves his fellow-men, and his country, and would make any sacrifice for their good." (Diary, June 29, 1937)

Hitler appeared, to King, to be "a man of deep sincerity and a genuine patriot." (Diary, June 29, 1937)

King saw similarities between himself and Hitler: "As I talked with him, I could not but think of Joan of Arc. He is distinctly a mystic .... He is a teetotaller and also a vegetarian; is unmarried, abstemist in all his habits and ways." (Diary, June 29, 1937)

People do make silly mistakes, even Canadian prime ministers and film actresses.  King changed his views; perhaps Ms. Fonda did too.

 

[Infanteer]

Canada was not at war with Germany in 1937.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Canada was not at war with Germany in 1937.

America was not at war with North Vietnam in the 1960s and 70s, either.  Treason is still possible in peacetime, of course, though I don't wish to enter the debate.

Edward - yes, it is possible for Ms. Fonda to change her views.

 

[Infanteer]

America was not at war with North Vietnam in the 1960s and 70s, either.   Treason is still possible in peacetime, of course, though I don't wish to enter the debate.

Would it have sounded better if I would have said "Canada was not engaged in hostilites with Germany in 1937"?  The comparison is still poor.

Sure, technically war wasn't declared - but US Servicemen were fighting and dying everyday with soldiers of Regular NVA divisions.   These are the same fellows Ms Fonda decided to have a date with.

Remember the discussion on the Canadians who went back to the Balkans to fight and were in a situation that may of had them fighting against Canadian soldiers?   As 48thHighlander was nice enough to point out, these people were liable to be guilty of Treason if they did so:

Seems pretty clear to me.   Under the criminal code of Canada, an individual fighting for "any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities" wether in or out of Canada, is guilty of Treason, and upon convinction will be sentenced to at MINIMUM life imprisonment.

I'm sure the US Laws are the same - I checked, and that seems to be the case:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title18/parti_chapter115_.html

Sec. 2381. Treason

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against
them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the
United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this
title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any
office under the United States.

(I'm sure the courts would accept the NVA as "enemies", considering that there is a monument with 53,000 names inscribed on a Wall in Washington DC.)

...and...

(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the
loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the
United States:
        (1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or
    attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of
    duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United
    States; or
        (2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed
    matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination,
    disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military
    or naval forces of the United States--

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United
States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next
following his conviction.

Ms Fonda is no better then an expat that returns to a country and engages in combat with the Canadian Forces.   She is free to dissent against the policies of her Government, but she went beyond that line and is a traitor.

Regardless of what people think about the guy who spat and ran, a nice plug of Redman in the face is the least of what Jane Fonda deserves.

Infanteer

 

[TCBF]

"I read Rowe's book many years ago and my memory may be wrong but this all sounds a bit strange to me. How would the anti-war group have known what Rowe's assignment was? IIRC his name wasn't on any lists of POWs, he was being carried as MIA. He never in fact was in North Vietnam, being moved around between various camps in the South, around the Mekong Delta."

The American anti-war activists had many facets.  Some actively gathered and passed on intelligence to the "Case workers" who were GRU/KGB/Whatever.

This was a mere 20 or so years after the "spies in the state department" scandals and the justifiable execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, so there is not all that much to be shocked about.

 

[bossi]

... DO NOT spit in another person's face.   I can hardly think of a more disgusting and degrading form of assault.

As Dennis Miller says... "but that's just my opinion..."

Agreed - "two wrong don't make a right".
And, when you stoop to tactics such as spitting, it distracts from and degrades your position.
"Drop your stick, Drop your gloves, and Drop your opponent"
-- A favourite hockey tshirt

 

[Infanteer]

And, when you stoop to tactics such as spitting, it distracts from and degrades your position.
"Drop your stick, Drop your gloves, and Drop your opponent"
-- A favourite hockey tshirt

So, are you saying the guy should have jerseyed Jane Fonda and punched her in the head?  ???

 

[aesop081]

America was not at war with North Vietnam in the 1960s and 70s, either.  

Micheal, don't you think you are spliting hairs here ?

 

[bossi]

So, are you saying the guy should have jerseyed Jane Fonda and punched her in the head?    ???

Well ... it would have made a great Molson's commercial ...
http://canada4life.ca/videos.php?video=3

I've got more respect for guys who at least maintain some semblance of honour (i.e. can "dance" whilst balancing on thin blades of steel) as opposed to thugs who spit in a woman's face ...