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Merged QMI/Sun Media TV News thread

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Never much of a supporter for Sun even though I lean conservative.

Personally my understanding was when they sought licencing two years ago that "(it wasn't then) nor has it ever, asked for ‘mandatory carriage’ by cable or satellite companies.” Why, the very idea: “this would be tantamount to a tax on everyone with cable or satellite service.”"

See here for more.

http://o.canada.com/2013/01/23/sorry-sun-news-network-to-succeed-in-business-you-cant-expect-special-favours/

I agree that 'mandatory carriage' constitutes a tax on consumers and quite frankly we don't need any more mandatory channels. Each and every one of the new applicants should be rejected and, IMHO, several of the existing ones should be struck off. Leave them as optional service for which everyone who wants it has to pay for personally.

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Yes, they campaign against all this government propping up channels, but if you deny Sun News, then CTVNN, CBCNW, CNN all have to go as well. You can't just say "Sorry, you're too late to the party" and deny a channel an equal playing field. If they were going to kill all other news channels, by all means kill Sun News's bid.
 
recceguy said:
Everyone gets it equally or no one gets it at all.
But...but...that means organizations would have to survive on....ability.    Heresy! :orly:
 
PuckChaser said:
Yes, they campaign against all this government propping up channels, but if you deny Sun News, then CTVNN, CBCNW, CNN all have to go as well. You can't just say "Sorry, you're too late to the party" and deny a channel an equal playing field. If they were going to kill all other news channels, by all means kill Sun News's bid.

You've got some facts wrong. This is the list of the only channels on the mandatory distribution list and the cost levelled per consumer:

CBC News Network (in French-language markets): $0.15

Réseau de l’information (RDI) (in English-language markets): $0.10

Avis de recherche (in French-language markets): $0.06

Weather Network/Météomedia: $0.23

TVA: offered without a wholesale rate

Aboriginal Peoples Television Network (APTN): $0.25

Cable Public Affairs Channel (CPAC): $0.10

AMI audio, formerly known as VoicePrint: $0.04

Accessible Media: $0.20

Canal M, formerly known as La Magnétothèque: $0.02

I think you will see that this paints quite a different picture which you (and for that matter most Canadians) expected.

IMHO Sun, and most of the numerous other new applicants for mandatory and thereby taxed status, should stay in the competitive marketplace and several of the above items should come off the list.

Cheers
 
To be a bit cynical here, it's not about levelling out the playing field, it's about levelling off the freefall of the Sun Media bottom line.

Quebecor is losing money hand over fist with the Sun Newspaper chain and Sun TV.  Readership is down to the point that staff is being laid off en masse and more and more of their papers are disappearing behind paywalls.

But you can't force people to pick up the paper nor can you force retail outlets to sell them.

With television, they can petition the CRTC to force people to pay for a product they may, or may not, wish to use.  The truth is that with 40% of Canadian households as potential viewers, SunTV pulls in a measly 16000 viewers at any given moment.  While you can't exactly extrapolate, that does suggest that with 100% coverage, you are still only looking at around 40000 viewers.  That's not an effective business model for Quebecor when their other media outlets are bleeding red ink.

I've watched SunTV and they need a major overhaul.  To start, their production values look like they broadcast the thing from someone's basement with equipment circa 1983.  My nephew produces better stuff on his iPhone.  Secondly, they need to cut back on the histrionic posturing that turns off a lot of people that would normally agree with the points being made.

My introduction to SunTV was during the Trudeau/Brazeau boxing match.  Ezra Levant was so over-the-top I found myself cheering for JT in the hopes that he'd wipe that smug look off of Ezra's face. 

In short, I don't support SunTV's application to become a "mandatory channel".  Quebecor has overextended itself and pursued an editoral style that limits their market far more than the CRTC ever could.  Throwing money at them out of my pocket (through my cable bill) is loke trying to bail out a sinking ship with a paper cup.  In the end the ship is going to sink anyway and I just as soon have my money still in my pocket when it does.

 
CBC wouldn't be much better if they weren't getting money "from your pocket".
 
The few times I have tuned in Sun TV...I am not impressed. I don't care whether it is left, right or center, I will not listen to partisan rants.

They may have a point to make, but don't insult my little intelligence by browbeating me with the itsy-bitsy facts one little point at a time while you keep it simple.....

If that is what they want, they will get no support from me.
 
Best solution is to cancel your cable and satellite service, and rely on over-the-air signals together with the internet.

While you'll still be supporting the CBC (and, in Ontario TVO) through your taxes, you'll be saving on the rest.

 
dapaterson said:
Best solution is to cancel your cable and satellite service, and rely on over-the-air signals together with the internet.

While you'll still be supporting the CBC (and, in Ontario TVO) through your taxes, you'll be saving on the rest.
If enough people did just that, maybe things WOULD change.
 
Did anyone else, besides Sun TV, point out the Occupy echelon was also part of the INM movement, and show the proof? What TV channel was the first to point out the obvious hypocrisy of Mayor Spence's antics and 'hunger strike'?

They might not be everyone's cup of tea, but no one can deny they are usually the first to jump in, get their hands dirty and tell the emporer he has no clothes.

I find their in your face style rather refreshing compared to the usual mealy mouth pablum that the other stations force feed the unthinking zombified masses.




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Ask yourself this question, without Sun News, would a story like this ever see the light of day?

http://www.canadiantvfirst.ca/saintsuzuki.php

Saint Suzuki’s scandal
January 28, 2013 17:54

Ezra reveals some details about Suzuki's speaking demands at schools, found in an access to information request, that's sure to make some parents concerned.


http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/01/29/jonathan-kay-david-suzuki-is-poster-boy-for-why-canada-needs-suns-hater-brand-of-journalism/

National Post - Jonathan Kay - Jan 29, 2013

Jonathan Kay: David Suzuki is poster boy for why Canada needs Sun’s brand of journalism

Unlike Andrew Coyne and Pierre Karl Péladeau, I am no expert on CRTC television policy. I couldn’t tell you the difference between a “must-carry” Class A license, a Class B carry-at-will, and a class X concealed-carry. But I do know a little about what makes for good journalism. And on that basis, I’d hate to see Sun News get taken off the air for want of revenue.

Sun’s enemies accuse the network’s hosts of being a bunch of haters. And it’s hard to deny the charge. Among the people they hate: Occupy protesters, fake hunger strikers and sanctimonious left-wing activists.

And Omar Khadr. Wow, do they hate Omar Khadr.

We know this because Sun News TV segments tend to go light on actual news, and heavy on middle-aged white guys shouting about people they don’t like. Sometimes, they sit around their Toronto studio interviewing each other. It’s a sort of performance art that might well be dubbed — by the surprisingly large number of left-wing Toronto hipsters who watch the channel ironically — as Confirmation-Bias Theatre Of The Absurd.

So, yes, they’re haters. But here’s the weird thing about hate: It often is the genesis of good journalism.

The folks at the Toronto Star who hate Harper, and hate the police state (as they see it), are the ones who broke numerous aspects of the G20 Summit story. Someone who hated Theresa Spence leaked the Attawapiskat audit. Julian Assange hates the U.S. government. When you don’t like someone, and you think they’re hiding something evil or creepy, it tends to motivate one’s truth-finding enterprises.

Which brings us to David Suzuki, another left-wing icon whom Sun News loves to hate. Few in this country would dare say a negative word about Suzuki, who has repeatedly been voted the most-trusted Canadian in Readers Digest magazine-sponsored polls. But Sun, and Ezra Levant in particular, have been going after Suzuki for years, and Suzuki himself admitted that Sun’s focus on his politicized activities was one of the reasons he felt obliged to step down from the board of the David Suzuki Foundation.

This week, Sun scored another win: Through access-to-information requests, the network discovered emails that reveal the odd demands Suzuki made in regard to a 2012 visit to John Abbott College in Montreal — which apparently cost the college more than $40,000, including Suzuki’s own $30,000 fee. In the correspondence, one of the university officials reports to her colleagues as follows:

    We have learned, via Dr. Suzuki’s assistant, that although the Dr. does not like to have bodyguards per se, he does not mind having a couple of ladies (females) that would act as body guards in order that he may travel from one venue to another without being accosted too many times along the way. Why females you ask? Well, he is a male. No seriously, I believe it is his way of being discrete and less intimidating.

There is also chatter about how these “ladies” should be dressed, and then this:

  In terms of acknowledging their contribution after the tours are completed, we will need to gather [the ladies] together at the end to either give them some brief time with Suzuki (which I will try to make happen, either by having him step out of the penthouse or enabling them to join the group in the sanctified air).

To be clear, this is not Bill-Clinton-in-Arkansas stuff. But it certainly is very much at variance with the usual image of Suzuki as a sort of eternally selfless Elder Spirit and a real-life Lorax.

The story doesn’t surprise me that much. I have had some dealings with the people who surround David Suzuki, and have found their treatment of him somewhat cultish, with each of his pronouncements being treated like pearls of wisdom from a Chinese emperor. When you have so many people drinking your Kool-Aid, it’s only a matter of time before you develop a sense of entitlement to match.


Nevertheless, I’m not sure I would have pursued this story — even if I’d been the one who got the initial tip from John Abbott. Partially, it’s because I just don’t dislike Suzuki enough, let alone hate him. In fact, I probably have drunk a little of the Kool-Aid myself over the years; and so I am handicapped by the vague sense that it would somehow be wrong or impolite to make this great Canadian icon look bad.

Why, some day, if I become famous enough, I might even aspire to share a table with him at some awards banquet or other. Wouldn’t want to say anything that renders such a meeting awkward.

The great virtue of Sun — and yes, it’s a virtue — is that the people who work there don’t seem to be hobbled by such constraints. They’re the ones who tell us that Theresa Spence is still fat, and that modern dance is for ninnies — and they don’t apologize for it, because they know that most people think these things, even if they don’t say them.

Moreover, there’s no tuxedo in the host’s trunk, lest he be invited at the last minute to one of Toronto’s many Distinguished Evenings in Commemoration of Excellence. And so there’s nothing to impede the hate instinct that provides lots and lots of empty blather and nonsense on Sun News broadcasts, but also, every once in awhile, a real story that few other journalists in this country will touch.
 
Ask yourself this question, without Sun News, would a story like this ever see the light of day?

This just in!!!!!  Rich Famous People Are Developing a Sense of Entitlement!!!!!

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What can I say.

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IMO, although I'm more Right, I'm not a fan of Sun News. Their argument that people can't find them on the dial is feeble. If people want to watch them, they'll find them. I'm not saying their request to be accessible on basic cable shouldn't be considered, but...

...Ezra Levant/Sun TV rallies against government support and handouts and such, but I guess this doesn't count...

 
Shuck10 said:
IMO, although I'm more Right, I'm not a fan of Sun News. Their argument that people can't find them on the dial is feeble. If people want to watch them, they'll find them. I'm not saying their request to be accessible on basic cable shouldn't be considered, but...

...Ezra Levant/Sun TV rallies against government support and handouts and such, but I guess this doesn't count...

All well and good, but you can't find them if they're not carried.
 
ModlrMike said:
All well and good, but you can't find them in they're not carried.

I agree. And I don't see any problem with them wanting to petition the CRTC for basic access, rather than where they are now. (Extended cable service package) It'll be interesting to see how it turns out for them.

 
eurowing said:
I have Telus Optic TV.  Sun News is not offered.

From what I've read, they may choose to carry Sun News if there's enough demand.  There are a few other stations they don't carry also, which can be found on other providers [Rogers, Bell] so they may have broadcasting changes/more inclusive choices ahead, but I don't know.

Unfortunately, I feel Sun over-estimated their stance among the population initially, which could also be why they're in the predicament they're in at the moment.  They have their fans, absolutely, but I don't know that there are enough of them.
 
The CRTC has denied Sun News Network's application for mandatory carriage on basic cable.

I'm not sure Sun News Network has a viable business plan any more.

But there is a much, much bigger issue: why in the name of all that's holy do we need any organization to tell us what we must buy from our cable service provider?

I think I understand the Canadian content argument, I'm just not sure that I accept it.
 
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