Missed Technical opportunities (From: Replace the Herc!)

[Steel Badger]

While we are fixing the Air Force.....
Ditch the Griffons and get DeHavilland to build us the CL-98 again!!!!


Ahhhh the Cl-98....Canada's very own Home grown VTOL tilt wing, killed before it saw use....joining the ranks of fantastic Canadian designed kit condemned to the scrap heap....Like the Arrow, The Bobcat and the Loch Bras D'Or

 

[Kirkhill]

The "Loch" Bras d'Or Steel Badger?

Or should that be Steel Brock?

I think your kilt is showing.. ;D

Cheers

 

[Steel Badger]

;D


The Loch Bras D'Or...the first all weather deep water hydrofil warship....so fast they had to be "flown" by pilots from the RCAF..

And of course, she was mothballed by dunderheids.

 

[Kirkhill]

I remember when the trials were being run.  I was in the Sea Cadets at the time - we were all looking forward to an opportunity  to have a run in her.  --- As you know, never happened.

One of the driving factors in shutting her down was that fact that the hydrofoils made her unsuitable for ice.  So how many ice capable vessels do we have now?  As many as we would have had had we bought her.

Apparently she was very stable in high seas when she was hull borne, rather than plane borne, and drifting.  One intended operational mode for her was supposed to be drift and sprint - shut down and listen then start up, run to another location at umpty-ump knots and shut down and go silent again.

Would have made a useful addition out here on the west coast (where we don't have ice).

Cheers Brock

 

[a_majoor]

HMCS Bas D'Or was a beautiful example of the ship-builder's art, actually a ship built to aircraft tolerences. Many of the comments which were made to sink her career (i.e. unable to operate in ice, unable to carry a combat payload, prone to cracking) were entirly unfair, since Bas D'Or was a reserch vessel designed to test these issues. If there was to be a follow on class of hydrofoil warships, they would have been somewhat larger and more capable.

New thread for lost opportunities? (Arrow, Bas D'Or, CL-89, Ram tank, Bobcat APC, etc. etc.)?

 

[ArmyRick]

Art, what exactly was the Bobcat APC anyways?
I think buying or leasing some of these russian aircraft is a great idea.
Let me see...I can throw in some toonies and loonies, wait...I can get some bills for the cat at the local restaraunt....If I selll my DVD collection too...Ummm....OK, I am in too. I will be good for $155 or make that $145 and a large cat (if the restaraunt is not going to buy him)..
Cheers.

 

[bossi]

Ahhhh the Cl-98....Canada's very own Home grown VTOL tilt wing, killed before it saw use....joining the ranks of fantastic Canadian designed kit condemned to the scrap heap....Like the Arrow, The Bobcat and the Loch Bras D'Or

Grrrr ... I swear one day I'm gonna have a stroke ...
Yup - the CL84 was not just years ahead of its' time ... it was FOUR DECADES ahead of anybody else.
But, of course, "somebody" didn't want it to be developed (just like the Avro Arrow) or it would have put them out of business ...
So, what did we do ... ?  Poop-canned it.  And, where did many of the engineers end up ... ?  Bell-Vertol, of course.

[urlhttp://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/canadair_dynavert-r.html]Nearly 40 years ago, Canadair had a WORKING VTOL ...[/url]

K0123 technology is largely based on Canadair's CL-84 Dynavert

Want to bet that computerisation could have solved the flight control system?

 

[bossi]

Art, what exactly was the Bobcat APC anyways?

http://ipmslondon.tripod.com/museumreviews/id17.html

I definitely remember seeing one on display in Worthy's tank park collection up in Camp Borden - kinda reminded me of an oversized Lynx (i.e. one that could carry a section of infantry) - apparently it's the only surviving one (!)

Grrrrr ... the final sentence in this next quote strikes me as so typically Canadian/Avro Arrow/CL84'ish ...
(i.e. heaven forbid that we/Canada develop a useful piece of kit on our own ...)

http://www.jedsite.info/fulltrack/bravo/bobcat_series/bobcat-series.html

The XA92 was then redesigned to provide all the tracked,amphibious vehicle requirements for the Canadian Army by using a basic chassis and from the sponson line down all vehicles would be the same. Each vehicle had a forward compartment on the basic chassis with a bulkhead incorporating a hatch or door seperating them from the main compartment which would be configured for whatever role the vehicle was intended for.

In the end interest in the vehicle waned and it was not developed any further.