MND Peter MacKay launches the returned 1st Canadian Division

[OldSolduer]

So....no Mess Tin Repair Company (Mechanized)?

Techno I want you to be the OC.

 

[The Bread Guy]

1 Can Div was stood down in 1999.  In 2000 the CF Joint Operations Group was stood up.  It eventually deteriorated resulting in the JSR and the CFJHQ.  2010 stand up of 1 Can Div.  Battlestar Galactica moment "This has all happened before and will all happen again."

Loads of "enabling change" points to go around with that cycle, no?

 

[Brad Sallows]

That's about what I remembered.

I have a rule about "change".  Those who manage it, receive favourable assessment.  Those who create it, receive unfavourable assessment.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Techno I want you to be the OC.

I'll take that job - I looooove mess tins. I once had this theory that you can trace the beginning of the decline of the CF from the date they stopped issuing them... but I forgot  ???

 

[ArmyRick]

I also remember Major general Fraser as my CO (in 96-97 2VP).

 

[gun runner]

This whole affair smacks of a simple publicity stunt at the Forces expense, another classical case of 'open mouth insert foot'!Ubique :2c: :yellow:

 

[Sprinting Thistle]

How is this announcement a publicity stunt?  The MND (Peter Mackay or others) always announces a new or renewed capability for the CF.

I suppose if you mean an announcement designed to attract attention to the launch of 1 Can Div, then it is a publicity stunt as per a dictionary definition.

 

[dapaterson]

How is this announcement a publicity stunt?  The MND (Peter Mackay or others) always announces a new or renewed capability for the CF.

I suppose if you mean an announcement designed to attract attention to the launch of 1 Can Div, then it is a publicity stunt as per a dictionary definition.

He did not launch a division.  He (re)launched a Div HQ.  It's the difference between 100 staff wankers and 10000 combat troops.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

M Gen Fraser was my company commander in 3PPCLI in 89.  Smart guy.

 

[HItorMiss]

M Gen Fraser was my company commander in 3PPCLI in 89.  Smart guy.

Disagree 100%

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Perhaps he peaked as OC A Coy...........

 

[Edward Campbell]

Perhaps he peaked as OC A Coy...........

Without wishing to be at all facetious, in my day (I've been retired for decades) one of our major leadership problems was that too few senior officers ever got over being company commanders. They found it too hard to focus on high level operations, logistics and policy issues in NDHQ and too easy and too tempting to micromanage down in units - where they did not belong.

I do not know MGen Fraser and I have no opinion on his command abilities - at any level. But he wouldn't be the first to have found it hard to get out of the trenches and, if that is the case, he will not be the last, either.

 

[Sprinting Thistle]

He did not launch a division.  He (re)launched a Div HQ.  It's the difference between 100 staff wankers and 10000 combat troops.

The HQ in Div HQ is silent, much like the h in ghost.

 

[rampage800]

Just what the CF needs, another HQ. I guess with that being said we'll see shortly enough if LGen Leslie is serious about "CF Transformation" and actually chops a few of these HQ's.

The CF is starting to look like the Dept of Redundancy rather than National Defence. :

 

[McG]

Just what the CF needs, another HQ.

Not another HQ.  This is more like Transformers because 1 Cdn Div HQ became CFJHQ and is now reverting to 1 Cdn Div HQ.

... and the Army gets to take it back from the .COM world.

 

[dapaterson]

Not another HQ.  This is more like Transformers because 1 Cdn Div HQ became CFJHQ and is now reverting to 1 Cdn Div HQ.

... and the Army gets to take it back from the .COM world.

However, 1 Can Div HQ takes more PYs than CFJHQ did.  So it is overall growth in HQ PYs, to negligible effect.

Of course, the 400+ PY growth of the dor COMs under Hillyer needs a sharp reduction as well.

(And yes, just noticed I made a typo - seems my mind is having trouble distinguishing between Hellyer and Hillier.)

 

[Loachman]

Has anybody started a pool regarding how long it will last this time?

 

[armyvern]

1 Can Div was stood down in 1999.  In 2000 the CF Joint Operations Group was stood up.  It eventually deteriorated resulting in the JSR and the CFJHQ.  2010 stand up of 1 Can Div.  Battlestar Galactica moment "This has all happened before and will all happen again."

JSR is still here now; and, guess what!!?? We're now double hatted (outside of belonging to a totally different Command [Div is "Land Forces", we're not]) to support the Div - so that previous comment about it being PY neutral is also off ...

General's commanding Div HQs expect, and demand, more support from an outside of it's own Command entity than do Cols commanding "mere" CFJHQs ... Our little CANOSCOM 1st line sp sqn is suddenly feeling like it's expected to be a full-blown Army Svc Bn.

I say, call in the Army to support it's Div HQ.  >

I wonder though, if the "push" to place Sp sqn under the Div HQ in the CoC goes through, who exactly will support that CANOSCOM entity that is CFJSR who are constantly on the go here, there, and everywhere overseas and at home?? We certainly wouldn't belong to them to provide sp anymore. Would they have to then go through NDHQ to request sp from the Army (ie ... a sp sqn then belonging to the Army vice our current CANOSCOM placement)? :blotto:

I can not belong to two different Commands can I?? How about we "can" all those myriads of non-deployable dot com HQs too while we are at it too --- that should solve all the manning issues.

 

[PuckChaser]

5 bucks says we'll see CFJSR go back to be 1CDHSR shortly. Div HQs need a Signal Regt for support, and there's none to be had anywhere in the CF.

 

[armyvern]

5 bucks says we'll see CFJSR go back to be 1CDHSR shortly. Div HQs need a Signal Regt for support, and there's none to be had anywhere in the CF.

Oh, I don't disagree with you.

I can get rid of that ninja star that adorns my DEUs. No more 'accident reports" every time there's a parade.  ;D