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Montreal Sovereigntists hold own Remembrance Day ceremony

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Sovereigntists in Montreal hold their own ceremony to mark Remembrance Day
Les Perreaux, Canadian Press, 12 Nov 06
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The road to the cenotaph through the immense cemetery on Mount Royal was lined with blue Quebec flags Saturday with nary a Maple Leaf in sight as sovereigntists and war veterans marked Remembrance Day.

Braving frigid temperatures and a pouring rain, vets in their 80s, cadets, Quebec politicians and a handful of civilians gathered to lay wreaths at the ceremony organized by the nationalist Societe St-Jean-Baptiste.

Organizers played a song of peace by sovereigntist singer Raymond Levesque instead of the usual O Canada.

While the ceremony seemed inherently political, those gathered said the sacrifice of Quebec and Canadian soldiers on the international scene transcends nationalist politics and the skirmishes of Canadian unity.

Jean Trempe, an 81-year-old who stormed the beaches of Normandy, said he was touched to be invited to mark November 11 with a group that might not share his love of Canada.

"They invited me here and I don't care if it's the Lions Club of Winnipeg or St-Jean-Batiste in Montreal," Trempe said in French after showing off the medal given to him by the Quebec legislature.

"Me, I'm Canadian, but for me these issues of nationalism and language are secondary. I think it's just a beautiful thing that they're honouring us. We risked our lives for $1.30 a day."

The St-Jean-Batiste group started their own ceremony in the late 1990s after they were shunned two years running by the Montreal legion. The Parti Quebecois government of the day adopted the ceremony but the Liberals continued the tradition of attending and handing out medals after taking power in 2003.

"There's nothing anti-Canadian about that ceremony, but it's not particularly Canadian either," said Jean Dorion, president of the society. "This marks universal values and the people who participated were of all ideological persuasions."

PQ Leader Andre Boisclair attends Remembrance Day ceremonies every year with his father, Marc-Andre Boisclair, who served in the Navy in the Second World War.

His father stayed home this year because of the bone-chilling weather, Boisclair said.

"I think it's my duty to remember, but it means that much more that my father was there and lost friends," Boisclair said.

Dorion, Boisclair and Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said the day of remembrance and the fight for freedom and democracy transcend questions of politics, including Quebec's national aspirations.

"We're living on the same planet," Duceppe said. "We're acting in solidarity. Those who lost their lives lost them for democracy. It's international solidarity. We have a lot of values in common."

 
I first thought ''What the hell  >:(  is this ''
when I saw it on the news yesterday, even being a
québécoise francophone with a fews nationalists friends...

Took me all the day to think : ''well, at least they are showing respect...''


 
There was another write up......
At the cenotaph in the cemetary, there is a very big canadian flag that was quite prominent during the ceremony....

While the ceremony was not attended with chest thumping Canadian ultra nationalists,  the PQ, BQ and ADQ types who did attend did remember and salute those who perished in the great wars.......
 
This initially caught my eye on the news ticker on Newsnet.  I still don't know what to feel about this. 
 
At first... I figured I would be upset

I'm kinda sitting on the fence.

Better that they do this than NOT attend the regular ones?

As long as they weren't using the death of veterans for political
gain.  It's been happening for years quietly and without controversy
so.... as long as it's not hurting the veterans.....
 
I'm just so fed up with all this political BS
IT's the day we remember our fallen
do we really need to make a political statement while doing it  :salute:
I think the rest of Canada should vote them off the island
 
Signalman150 said:
I hope they took a moment to remember James Cross and Pierre Laporte...

They were not veterans so that is kind of a silly comment don't you think? ::)

As long as they are not disrespectful of our war dead, I can't really see a problem here. I must say though I long for the day when this sepratist stuff is behind us one way or another.  :cdn:
 
Actually, James Cross was in the British Military in WWII.  IIRC, he fought in France (can anyone else see the irony here?). He was released by the FLQ after being held for approx 2 months. 

 
Don't many separatists believe WWII was an Imperialist war, hoisted on them by the UK and Canada's Anglo population? After all, the Nazis didn't pose a threat to Quebec now did they?
 
North star......
What is your point?
If your intention is to simply post nasty rhetoric when none was offered to offend ya... give it a rest!
 
I agree Geo. The comments about Laporte and Cross have nothing to do with our War Veterans. It doesn't matter if Cross was a Vet, the comment was offered not because he was a Vet but because of the part he played in the FLQ crisis of 1970.

I think most Quebecois would agree that those tactics...employed by a few were not the way for them to gain support for their cause. Neither would offending War Veterans on a sacred day like Remembrance Day...it's counter productive.

I actually get a bigger pain out of the politicians who come out to the cenotaphs on Remembrance Day who don't support the aims and missions of our troops yet want to be seen by the Vets who come out and vote in greater numbers than the younger generation. The NDP were very much in evidence here at Grand Parade on Saturday and trying to make like they support our current Vets...harumph I say to them.
 
Most of the NDP can get stuffed IMHO, especially Taliban Jack and Alexa.  :rage:    However, that being said I do like the cut of Peter Stoffers jib.  While he is NDP I honestly feel as a former constituant of his that he does honestly give a damn about us.  I wish the rest of his party were of like mind. 
 
jollyjacktar said:
Most of the NDP can get stuffed IMHO, especially Taliban Jack and Alexa.  :rage:     However, that being said I do like the cut of Peter Stoffers jib.  While he is NDP I honestly feel as a former constituant of his that he does honestly give a damn about us.  I wish the rest of his party were of like mind. 

Well I agree with you for the most part. He is someone who is knowledgeable. Of course his riding is Lower Sackville where half the Navy in Halifax live! It would be in-excusable for him not to know about what the biggest employer of his constituents is all about.
 
Geo,

I don't think my post was "hateful", but merely a pointed criticism of Quebec separatism and the alteration of historical memory. If memory serves me correctly (and this is after being taught as a child Quebec history in my French Immersion classes by Quebecois teachers), the extreme nationalist lobby at the time decried Canada's involvement. Current separatists, heirs to this tradition, must have a discomfort reconciling this position with subsequent realizations.

For me the greatest irritant with this issue is Canadians, Francophone and Anglophone, fought this together. We should mourn that way. To do otherwise is a slap in the face to the other. It's like having a family funeral, but segragating certain family members from others during the event.
 
If a bunch of sovreignists chose to gather together in a little clump at a cenotaph (Where Cdn flag proudly flies) and mourn those that have gone before us - and given their lives, then I say, "at least that's something better than nothing".

You have to start somewhere, find common ground.
This might be that something common.
 
North Star,

Large portions of Quebec’s intellectuals have come to realize that the opposition to the war in 1939 was not the right choice.  Except for some fringe extreme nationalists, the epithets about the "Imperialist war" are very seldom heard.

I had a teacher who introduced a course on WW2 in Canada and Quebec in the History curriculum at the Université du Québec à Montréal and who deplored the lack of interest of interest in Quebec for military history.  He showed us the infamous "Death by Moonlight" documentary as an example of NOT to do military history.  That particular teacher was a former FLQ member.

That being said, when the Société St-Jean-Bapstiste tried to take part in the main Remembrance Day ceremony in downtown Montreal 10 years or so ago, the Legion wouldn’t let them participate (hence the separate ceremony).
 
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