Muslims Allege Racial Profiling for 2010 Olympic Security Positions

[zipperhead_cop]

My  :2c:

The whole concept of profiling has gotten a bad rap.  Clearly, profiling based on obvious things (such as race) is bad and short sighted.  For every measure we take, the bad guys are working on countermeasures.  And since we are such a myopic, politically correct and reactive little society, guess who is going to get the drop every time? 

One poster started to put up a scenario with dudes in a car late at night.  I thought "hey, here's a good point" right up until the minority comment. Then it goes donkey.  However, he was getting closer to the mark.  There are behaviors/demeanor's and indicators that constitute proper profiling.  If I'm driving around and I see a guy give me the holy-shit look and make a sharp turn without signalling down a side street, I'm going to bite.  Profiling is simply a means of focusing your efforts.  However, it is just a tool in the box.  Intelligence, scanners, pat downs, alerts.  They all  have to be in play too. 

North American society is not serious about rooting out and stopping terrorism.  There is lots of lip service and rest assured your various levels of policing are working their asses off to protect you.  But lets face it, the only thing that is going to make any sort of lasting changes is another 9/11 and a big body count.  After that, maybe people will get over concepts of biometric identification cards, revoking citizenships, rejecting undocumented persons at the border, not losing their minds at the concept that an agency like the RCMP or CSIS might need to do some "looking around" and doesn't have a search warrant. 

Now, queue the "police state" boogie man.  And the people who argue most strongly against this will be the people who would have the least to fear.  But the bottom line is that all of the elements that would do us harm know our system very well.  There are so many active cells operating in all of your areas that they probably really could cripple this country (at least for a week or two).  But civil liberties and current laws tie the hands of the police and open up a terrorist paradise. 

So fly, travel, go to the mall.  Chug about your daily lives, smug and safe in the knowledge that it couldn't possibly happen to you.  Just like it could never happen in New York. 

 

[Edward Campbell]

...
North American society is not serious about rooting out and stopping terrorism.  There is lots of lip service and rest assured your various levels of policing are working their asses off to protect you.  But lets face it, the only thing that is going to make any sort of lasting changes is another 9/11 and a big body count.  After that, maybe people will get over concepts of biometric identification cards, revoking citizenships, rejecting undocumented persons at the border, not losing their minds at the concept that an agency like the RCMP or CSIS might need to do some "looking around" and doesn't have a search warrant ... but the bottom line is that all of the elements that would do us harm know our system very well.  There are so many active cells operating in all of your areas that they probably really could cripple this country (at least for a week or two).  But civil liberties and current laws tie the hands of the police and open up a terrorist paradise. 

So fly, travel, go to the mall.  Chug about your daily lives, smug and safe in the knowledge that it couldn't possibly happen to you.  Just like it could never happen in New York.

I know we aren't allowed to say +1 anymore, but ...

+1


I like to think of myself as a reasonable and balanced civil libertarian - as I believe all soldiers are, instinctively, because they understand that the very essence of the country they are sworn to defend  is its civil liberties. But unfettered liberty becomes licence and as American historian Will Durant said,  “When liberty becomes license, dictatorship is near” (American spelling: license.) There are reasonable and practical and Constitutional limits on our liberties, limits that "can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society" - in part to prevent unfettered liberty from becoming licence. If we can set limits on free speech to prevent hate speech then we can set limits to prevent murder - to deny such reasonable and balanced limits is to make oneself an accessory to murder.

 

[PMedMoe]

ERC, I was also going to give a +1 to zipperhead_cop's comment.  Thank you for doing so.

 

[Rifleman62]

And "another 9/11 and a big body count" has to happen so it will effect certain people in certain parts of Canada, otherwise the effect will: lucky it did not happen to us.

Same thing for Judges.

 

[Rifleman62]

Going around on the internet now:

Keep this in mind next time you are going through airport security, especially when the new x-ray machines becomes operational.

A lot of people have become so insulated from reality.  Absolutely No Profiling!  Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple
choice test.

These events are actual events from history. They really happened!  Do you remember?
     
    HERE'S THE TEST

    1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

    a. Superman
    b. Jay Leno
    c. Harry Potter
    d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
   

    2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :

    a. Olga Corbett
    b. Sitting Bull
    c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 
    3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

    a. Lost Norwegians
    b. Elvis
    c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

   
    4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

    a. John Dillinger
    b. The King of Sweden 
    c. The Boy Scouts
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

    a. A pizza delivery boy
    b. Pee Wee Herman
    c. Geraldo Rivera
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

   
    6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

    a. The Smurfs
    b. Davey Jones
    c. The Little Mermaid
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

    a. Captain Kidd
    b. Charles Lindberg
    c. Mother Teresa
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

    a. Scooby Doo
    b. The Tooth Fairy
    c. The Sundance Kid
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

   
    9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

    a. Richard Simmons
    b. Grandma Moses
    c. Michael Jordan
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

    a. Mr. Rogers
    b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
    c. The World Wrestling Federation
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

   
    11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed
into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.

    Thousands of people were killed by:

    a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E.. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
    b. The Supreme Court of Florida 
    c. Mr Bean
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

   
    12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

    a. Enron
    b. The Lutheran Church 
    c. The NFL
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

   
    13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

    a. Bonnie and Clyde 
    b. Captain Kangaroo
    c. Billy Graham
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?  So, to ensure we  never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. 

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification,  but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

And recently, Fort Hood Texas ......another Muslim 39 years old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd others.  Does this fit the profile!





Political Correctness Rules!

 

[krustyrl]

Hey Rifleman ...pretty much sums it up for me too. Glad someone put this perspective in laymans terms.!!     

+1

 

[OldSolduer]

Well said Rifleman!! My point exactly. Is it the Memorial Cross Mothers causing all the trouble? No....guess who it is?

What was Marc Lepine's name prior to his murdering women at a university in Quebec? I've read it was not Marc Lepine. Is this true?

 

[krustyrl]

WTF.????  Not that I am doubting but is this true.?

 

[PMedMoe]

WTF.????  Not that I am doubting but is this true.?

Not that Wiki's the best source but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine

 

[Redeye]

He had the name Gamil Gharbi at birth, his father was Algerian.  Lepine was his mother's last name, he changed his first name to Marc at 14 because he got a hard time over having an Arabic name.  The original name has been trotted out by some idiots to try to link his crime to Islam...

Well said Rifleman!! My point exactly. Is it the Memorial Cross Mothers causing all the trouble? No....guess who it is?

What was Marc Lepine's name prior to his murdering women at a university in Quebec? I've read it was not Marc Lepine. Is this true?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I'm sure glad no Christian's committed atrocities during that time............holystupidseasonBatman.

 

[Infanteer]

Strawman alert.  Lupine was a psychopath and his rampage had nothing to do with targeted terrorist attacks or militant Islam.  His heritage is a coincidence and was unrelated to the event.

 

[mariomike]

If interested, they made a movie on the 20th anniversary of the massacre.
http://www.polytechniquelefilm.com/en/
There is a story in MacLean's:
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/05/excusing-the-men-who-ran-away/

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Mr. Campbell and Moe, thanks for the accolades 

But enough (rest of you) with the Muslim stuff!  You are missing the point.  Yes, radical Islamics are currently the most prolific terrorists on the planet.  It was not always so.  It might not be so in the future.  If people focus in on religious distinctions, they are going to miss the guy wearing the urban bling crap listening to junk music.  Proper profiling transcends any sort of pigeon holing.  It's almost an art form, IMO. 
The other key to this is constant vigilance.  To be certain, airports have gotten more lax over the years (no offence intended to the airport in Los Angeles  ;D) I stopped taking off my shoes two years ago and nobody said anything to me.  This underwear bomber clown probably wouldn't have happened shortly after the shoe bomber.  But AQ isn't letting it go and they are always waiting and watching.  It is not an "if" but a "when". 
That being said, I won't be surprised when some PETA asshat does something like does a suicide bombing at a fur store in a mall. 
Oh, and profiling also picks off regular criminals.  Not everything has to be as sexy as a downed jet. 

 

[1feral1]

For R62 and ZHC, you both hit the nail right on the head.

Excellent posts!

Thanks.

OWDU

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So on a daily basis when you see a Middle Eastern person you pray they don't blow up, when you see an african american person you assume they can play basketball, when you see a redneck you assume they have a shot gun and when you see an asian person you assume they can tell you what 11.267 billion times 5892 is?

If what you said isn't racist then I don't know what is.

hahahahahaahaahhahahahaaaha ok that was funny!

I mean...you know its like...

bahahahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahaaha

Sorry...I just can't...bahahahahahaahahahhaaha.

Are you the guy who plays Barney on The Simpson?  'Cause I think you had some of that magic pixy dust or something.

Ya.  I am a racist.  Right now, I am wearing a WHITE t-shirt...omg!

 

[Kat Stevens]

That being said, I won't be surprised when some PETA asshat does something like does a suicide bombing at a fur store in a mall. 
Oh, and profiling also picks off regular criminals.  Not everything has to be as sexy as a downed jet.

Let it be Ingrid Newkirk, let it be Ingrid Newkirk...hopefully the protein deficiency will finally rot what's left of her brain to the point where she decides that would be a good idea.

 

[Dean22]

I'm sure glad no Christian's committed atrocities during that time............holystupidseasonBatman.

+1

Seriously, Rifleman62 there are hundreds of incidents since the 1900's of terrorism and you pick a few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1970
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1971
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1972
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1975
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1976
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1978
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1979
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1980
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1981
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1982
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1983
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1985
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1987
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1988
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1991
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1992
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1994
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1995
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1997
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1998
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1999
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2009


Taking a look at every single one of those links will show that 80% of Terrorism acts in the last 110 years have been carried out by non-Muslim terrorists. However, the muslim terrorists have had the most successful terrorist act in terms of casualties.

Ignorance is the saddest crime in this era especially when people have access to a massive amount of information and live in a Western country.

Shame on you Rifleman62.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Dean22,

Stick to presenting facts for discussion and keep your admonitions and lectures to yourself. You are in no position to be reproaching anyone here.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[Rifleman62]

I didn't pick a few. As stated in the post, I posted what was going around the internet. I didn't even add all the airliners that were highjacked in the 70's by the same demographic. Nor did I correct a couple of the items in that list.

The list was not inclusive. I am glad you had the time to update it.

May you always feel satisfied and safe with your fellow travellers.