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"My SAS hero has been betrayed"

FJAG said:
I've looked for it but the UK MOD isn't too good at publishing data on these things. Moreover since he is SAS there probably won't be anything official published. Everything that the papers have come through Nightingale's wife and a bit from his lawyers.

The papers mention "possession of a war trophy" or in others "illegal possession of a handgun". I think the latter is more likely. The offence does carry a five year mandatory sentence they say and that he was warned he could face that term in jail before pleading. According to the Guardian, the judge "promised leniency" before they decided to plead guilty.

I myself have trouble with the concept of five years mandatory but 18 months awarded. Mandatory is mandatory.

Where I see the difference is not so much the fact that a jail term ought to be awarded but by virtue of the fact that in these somewhat extraordinary circumstances a suspended sentence could have been awarded which would keep this man out of serving time in jail.

I know where you're coming from. I'm usually very reluctant to pile on and second guess a finding or a sentence from the scanty facts in a newspaper article but there is something about this case that really bugs me.

Addendum: Just read smithsb1111 post and now I'm even more bugged.

Not having the details it's difficult to form a judgement.  Perhaps it was a 5 year mandatory for one of the charges; he pled guilty to another and the prosecution introduced no evidence on the 5-year charge.

I'm not conversant with British practice; was there an agreement between the prosecution and defence on sentencing that the judge chose to ignore? Or was there no such agreement, merely an informal "Plead guilty and we'll go easy?"

Little information and lots of outrage in the article linked.
 
dapaterson said:
I'm not conversant with British practice; was there an agreement between the prosecution and defence on sentencing that the judge chose to ignore? Or was there no such agreement, merely an informal "Plead guilty and we'll go easy?"

There is little detail on the actual circumstances.

The clearest statement is this quote from the BBC: "The soldier's lawyer Simon McKay said Sgt Nightingale, from Crewe, had pleaded guilty to the charge of possessing the gun because the judge in the case had implied he would face a five-year detention if found guilty."

And this from the Guardian: "Last Tuesday, Nightingale appeared before Judge Advocate Alistair McGrigor for a court martial. Such courts usually follow civilian sentencing guidelines, so the defendant was warned that if he pleaded not guilty he risked a five-year sentence. After a family consultation outside the courtroom Nightingale and his legal team took the judge's promise of leniency at face value and reluctantly pleaded guilty."

I have no info on any joint submission in this case.

In a Canadian Court Martial the law is as follows: "The courts of appeal across Canada, including the Court Martial Appeal Court in the case of Private Chadwick Taylor, 2008 CMAC 1, have held that the joint submission of counsel as to sentence should be accepted by the court unless the recommended sentence would bring the administration of justice into disrepute or is otherwise contrary to the public interest."

I have not been able to find case law re UK CM standards. The civilian Crown Prosecution Services have published guidelines for their prosecutors which include the following statements re plea bargaining: "The submission must not set out a proposal for a specific sentence. The submission on sentence is limited to setting out the applicable sentencing range and starting point in accordance with any relevant sentencing guidelines or authorities Sentencing Guidelines Council and Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) guidelines. Nevertheless, the ability to discuss and agree appropriate charges and an agreed factual basis for them provides a significant opportunity for the defendant to influence both sentencing range and starting point.

The submissions will be not dissimilar to a Plea and Sentence document. The prosecutor must ensure that the submissions are realistic. (Guidelines D9-D10)

They should:

list the aggravating and mitigating features arising from the agreed facts
set out any personal mitigation available to the defendant
refer to any relevant sentencing guidelines or authorities
make submissions as to the applicable sentencing range in the relevant guideline; and
include relevant ancillary orders such as compensation, directors’ disqualification orders, Serious Crime Prevention Orders and Financial Reporting Orders.

In the course of the plea discussions the prosecutor must make it clear to the defence that the joint submission as to sentence (including confiscation) is not binding on the court. (Guidelines D12)"

It looks like our prosecutors have more scope to zero in on a specif joint sentence than the Brits, and that our judges, while not without discretion, are more limited in rejecting such joint submissions.

Hope that helps a bit.
 
A transcript of the hearing of this case has now been made available and is here:

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/nightingale-proceedings-0607112012.pdf

It would appear that the matter was heard before a judge and a Board of Officers. The Judge Advocate and the members of the Board deliberate on the sentence but only the members of the Board of Officers determine the sentence by majority vote.

The UK does have legislation that provides for 5 years minimum imprisonment on a firearms offence UNLESS the court finds there are exceptional circumstances.
 
His panel was an Army Air Corps LCol, a Log Maj, an Engineer Capt, a WO from the Rifles and a WO fro the Artillery.


Acording to the charges, besides the unsecured pistol, he had in his possession six types of ammunition, including 9mm ball and .338 armour piercing, which were also not secured.

In considering this matter we are assisted by the case of R v. Reeman and R v. Wood [2006] 1 Cr.App.R. as to whether there are exceptional circumstances in your case. We find:

1. That whilst you did not plead guilty at the first opportunity, we accept that your medical condition allows us to give you more than the usual credit for a plea at the court door.

2. You are a man of exemplary character.

3. You were entirely cooperative and genuinely remorseful.

4. You are a highly valued soldier of great practical experience.

5. The gun was not fired.

6. We recognise that but for your particular work you would not be in contact with such weapons and ammunition.

Further, that the familiarity with them had made you lose sight of the essential requirement for their safekeeping. Finally, that but for your work, you would not find yourself in such a position. All these matters allow us to find exceptional circumstances in your case.
Nevertheless, the court would not be doing its duty in relation to protection of the public at large if it did not bear in mind the potential grave consequences of your behaviour. You must understand that these are extremely serious offences that require a custodial sentence of considerable length. We consider that if you had contested this matter you could likely have received a custodial sentence in excess of 3½ years imprisonment. However, in view of your guilty plea, your exemplary character, the circumstances of the offence and all other matters which we take into account, we consider that we can deal with you more leniently. However, these offences are far too serious for a suspended sentence to be appropriate.
We have not dismissed you or reduced you in rank as on the information before us we consider that you may still, with your specialist experience, be of use to the army in the future. We would invite those who will have to consider your future in the army in due course to bear these sentencing remarks in mind.
I now invite the president to formally read out the court sentence.
(SENTENCE)
PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD: 24951951 Sergeant Nightingale, The Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment, in relation to Charge 1 the court sentences you to 18 months detention. In relation to Charge 2 the court sentences you to 6 months detention; these sentences to run concurrently.
 
We have not dismissed you or reduced you in rank as on the information before us we consider that you may still, with your specialist experience, be of use to the army in the future. We would invite those who will have to consider your future in the army in due course to bear these sentencing remarks in mind.

This is worth noting... I don't know to what extend this would figure administratively- but I'm sure the judge made sure to find out first.
 
Brihard said:
This is worth noting... I don't know to what extend this would figure administratively- but I'm sure the judge made sure to find out first.

Can't speak for the UK but in Canada where a court's sentence does not include dismissal, the administrative process is not bound and makes an independent determination as to whether the individual ought to be retained or released.
 
Ample proof seen here that newspaper articles are soaked in crap.

 
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II: Request a Royal pardon for Sgt Danny Nightingale

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-request-a-royal-pardon-for-sgt-danny-nightingale
 
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