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NATO troops begin major operation in Kandahar prov.

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Reuters: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-12-15T120755Z_01_SP303649_RTRUKOC_0_US-AFGHAN-OPERATION.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

By Peter Graff

ARGHINDAB RIVER VALLEY, Afghanistan (Reuters) - British-led armored columns of NATO troops swept into southern Afghanistan's Kandahar province on Friday, launching one of the biggest operations in months.

Hundreds of British, Estonian and Danish troops, backed by scores of armored vehicles, crossed through the night from their base in neighboring Helmand province and set up a desert camp north of the Arghindab River valley, which commanders say is a haven for Taliban guerrillas.

"We're here on an intelligence-led mission against the Taliban," said operation commander Lieutenant-Colonel Matt Holmes. "You can tell by the size of our presence that we mean business."

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The offensive is one of the largest by NATO forces since the Canadian-led Operation Medusa in another part of Kandahar province in September, and the largest by British troops since heavy fighting in northern Helmand in the summer.

Royal Marines from Britain's 42 Commando were digging holes to sleep in at their new forward operating base in muddy desert, after camping under ponchos in rainstorms that hit the area as they moved east through the night.

They are joined by Estonian, Danes and British Light Dragoons in Scimitar light tanks.

The camp is in a wide desert and north of the Arghindab, a river surrounded by fertile irrigated croplands.

It is the first time such a large British-led force has been dispatched from Helmand to Kandahar, the Taliban heartland where several Canadian soldiers have been killed in some of the fiercest fighting of the year.

The NATO troops pushed into in southern Afghanistan this year as part of their takeover of security for the country from a U.S.-led coalition. NATO has about 32,000 soldiers in its mission and the U.S. about another 8,000 under a separate command.

The British Marines seemed excited by their mission.

"All right, let's party," said Marine Taff Blower as members of Lima Company, 42 Commando, set out in their Viking armored personnel carriers overnight.



 
I think that this and other operations are preemptive.  If all the warnings about this spring come true, our guys will be in for a major fight.  The more that the enemy’s winter regrouping and preparations can be disrupted, the better.  Now, only if this offensive was in Pakistan, we’d really be making progress.
 
NATO's statement on the latest op...

Operation Baaz Tsuka will send a strong message to Taliban from Afghan people
Release # 2006-365  15 December 2006 

Kandahar, Afghanistan (15 December) – Starting today, Afghan National Security Forces and ISAF will commence Operation Baaz Tsuka (Falcon’s Summit).

“The main aim of Operation Baaz Tsuka is to work together with tribal elders and district leaders to provide vital assistance and targeted development directly to the people of Zahre and Panjwayi districts”, said Major General Ton Van Loon, Commander of ISAF Regional Command-South.

Tribal elders and district leaders have been extensively consulted in the build up to this operation, and planned for jointly by Afghan security forces and ISAF personnel.

Operation Baaz Tsuka builds on the success of Operation Medusa and aims to establish an enduring and stable environment for the delivery of humanitarian assistance, reconstruction and development initiatives for the people of Zahre/Panjwayi.

Afghan security forces, along with their ISAF partners, are assembling a major force in the Zahre/Panjwayi district as a show of unity and strength over the upcoming days and are prepared to once again demonstrate their ability to combat and defeat the Taliban.

“Operation Baaz Tsuka will send a very strong and direct message to the Taliban that the people of Afghanistan want them to leave.  Those people contemplating joining the Taliban should listen to their tribal elders and choose the way of peace, not destruction”, added General van Loon.
 
Hmmm.... strong message sent............. want and see what kind of answer we will get back.
 
Are we using our Leo's in this mission? Or just the stuff we always used before? Perhaps they don't want use to know if we are or not.
 
MB....
1. our Leos are already deployed in the field.

2. If you read the article you will note that this Operation is by Brits, dutch and Estonians.  They have their own Scimitars for firepower.... 30mm gun

http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/scimitarfv107.html
 
FuzzyLogic said:
Now, only if this offensive was in Pakistan, we’d really be making progress.
I think that if we went on the offensive inside Pakistan a spring surge of violence and suicide bombings would be the least of our worries.  ::)
 
geo said:
MB....
1. our Leos are already deployed in the field.

2. If you read the article you will note that this Operation is by Brits, dutch and Estonians.  They have their own Scimitars for firepower.... 30mm gun

http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/scimitarfv107.html
Thanks Geo.
 
Just caught a blurb on CBC comfirming Canadian involvement in the operation...
 
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/16/nato-offensive.html


"Canadian soldiers will be taking part in a major new offensive to remove Taliban extremists from Kandahar province, the commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) confirmed on Saturday.
The troops will play a "very important role" in hunting for Taliban fighters, Maj.-Gen. Ton Van Loon told reporters after making a surprise visit to two of Canada's operating bases in southern Afghanistan.
The British-led mission will see Canadian troops operating from the bases they've established in the Panjwaii district, west of Kandahar city, but "there would also be movement involved," the general said, although he would not provide details or say when the mission would begin."

More at link
 
Would be silly not to take advantage of the Leos when in operations.

30mm Scimitars or 105mm Leos?..... quite the puzzler............ NOT!
 
Remember, as I understand it, the scimitar 30mm is not stabilised.  FWIW.  Anyway, I'm sure the Taliban will be the first to know if the leos are in use. No need for us to speculate.
 
Hauptmann Scharlachrot said:
Anyway, I'm sure the Taliban will be the first to know if the leos are in use. No need for us to speculate.
And that would be the last thing they see  ;D
 
NATO: Operation Falcon Summit in Afghanistan: yet another killing field
Posted by: joan.Russow on http://PEJ.org Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 08:38 AM
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NATO: Operation Falcon Summit in Afghanistan: yet another killing field

Pej news- Joan Russow PhD, Global Compliance Research Project- Yet another NATO Bomb, Blast and Bribe Operation in Afghanistan. Today it is announced that NATO is engaged another ill-conceived offensive Operation in Afghanistan: Operation Falcon Summit. It is also announced that Canada will be participating. Canada and NATO should instead end their offensive actions and withdraw from Afghanistan and be compelled to pay compensation for the destruction caused in Afghanistan since their involvement in 2001.

www.pej.org

A. REASONS FOR ENDING THE OFFENSIVE ACTIONS AND OCCUPATION BY CANADA AND NATO IN AFGHANISTAN

(1) UN SECURITY COUNCIL DID NOT SUPPORT THE INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN

Given that the UN Security Council did not support the invasion of Afghanistan; under current international law, the invasion of Afghanistan was in violation of international law. [Of course, if the US had succeeded in cajoling, intimidating and coercing the members of the UN Security Council to support the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion still would be neither legal nor just]

(2). MISINTERPRETATION OF ARTICLE 51-SELF DEFENCE- OF THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS

Canada along with some NATO states disregarded the Charter of the United Nations when it accepted the US misinterpretation of Article 51- self defence clause- of the Charter of the United Nations, as justification of the US act of revenge. Under most state criminal law, the actions of the US invasion of Afghanistan could not fulfill the criteria of an act of self defence.

(3). INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN IN 2001 DID NOT HAVE FULL PARLIAMENTARY SUPPORT
When there was a vote in Parliament to support the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the NDP and the Bloc voted against the invasion. The NDP, responded to pleas from peace groups, to call for support not for the US act of revenge but for the rule of international law and for the application of chapter VI of the Charter of the United Nations and for the seeking of justice through the International Court of Justice.
More on link


 
GAP said:
When there was a vote in Parliament to support the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the NDP and the Bloc voted against the invasion.



Wow... look how much we have changed in Canada in the past 5 years. Wonder what Afghanistan would be like today if the NDP or Bloc was in power when terror came to our shores.
 
Dissident said:
Repeat lies often enough and it becomes the truth.

Hey, if the "independent media" is as independent as it says it is, nothing wrong with registering and posting our side of reality, no?  "Trolling" is such a harsh word....  ;)

 
CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/16/nato-offensive.html

Canadian soldiers will be taking part in a major new offensive to remove Taliban extremists from Kandahar province, the commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) confirmed on Saturday.

The troops will play a "very important role" in hunting for Taliban fighters, Maj.-Gen. Ton Van Loon told reporters after making a surprise visit to two of Canada's operating bases in southern Afghanistan.

The British-led mission will see Canadian troops operating from the bases they've established in the Panjwaii district, west of Kandahar city, but "there would also be movement involved," the general said, although he would not provide details or say when the mission would begin.

He said the Canadians will continue working with the Afghan National Army as they try to separate hardline members of the Taliban from the civilian population.

The army will play a key role as it tries to convince locals to support NATO and to turn their backs on the Taliban, Van Loon said.

The offensive, entitled Operation Falcon's Summit — or Baaz Tsuka in the Afghan language — was billed in a NATO news release as a show of strength and a demonstration of the coalition's ability to combat and defeat the Taliban.

NATO consulted with tribal elders and district leaders before embarking on Operation Baaz Tsuka, which was planned with the help of Afghan security forces, Van Loon told reporters on Friday.

"Those people contemplating joining the Taliban should listen to their tribal elders and choose the way of peace, not destruction," he said.

 
Considering we're the ones with the established bases in the area AND the ones with the heavies (Leo) I would imagine that someone will, at one point or another, ask us to close a door on the insurgents.
 
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