New CIC training system?

[catalyst]

Just wondering if any of our resident CIC officers know anything about new training courses or training systems for the CIC? I read that someplace...I also heard BOQ was going to change and become BOTC (I think - this is heresy, please don't quote me)

 

[Inch]

BOTC is Basic Officer Training Course, that's what Reg force officers used to take, they recently changed the names.  I doubt it's BOTC, BOTC was 14 weeks.

Cheers

 

[catalyst]

Yes, I know the name didn't seem right...

 

[Inch]

Maybe they're recycling the name. 

 

[THEARMYGUY]

Yes the CIC is getting a new training system.  The programme is being changed and a new "REAL" MOC is going to provide the CIC with more military training.  This is what I have been told by my CO.  There are also articles in the spring/summer edition of Cadence(magazine for CIC and CI's).  The CIC is also to have a more active roll and be more informed about what is going on with the military as a whole.  More to follow.  I'll let you all know when I find out.

Cheers!!

The Army Guy

 

[Nobby]

This seems like it is just a littel history repeating itself. Once upon a time (1970's) CIC (back then CIL) officers took a BOTC course. It makes some sense in some areas, and not in others.

 

[sgt_mandal]

This would be for all elements right? (I know it's a dumb question, but just checking)

 

[THEARMYGUY]

This would be for all elements right? (I know it's a dumb question, but just checking)

I would have to say yes.  All CIC training other than MOC or JOLC is conducted at RCIS with all elements usually present.  This is not written in stone.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.

Cheers!!

The Army Guy

 

[big_castor]

This would be for all elements right? (I know it's a dumb question, but just checking)

Absolutely.  The new training courses will have some elemental training and some courses will only be available to some elements but the system will be basically the same for everyone (much as it is right now)

 

[Thompson_JM]

Yes the CIC is getting a new training system.   The programme is being changed and a new "REAL" MOC is going to provide the CIC with more military training.   This is what I have been told by my CO.   There are also articles in the spring/summer edition of Cadence(magazine for CIC and CI's).   The CIC is also to have a more active roll and be more informed about what is going on with the military as a whole.   More to follow.   I'll let you all know when I find out.

Cheers!!

The Army Guy

As a Reservist all I can say is thank God.. its about time the CIC were given better training.. especially from a military standpoint.. having worked along side alot of CIC's this summer I can say that there were definatley a few who were simply outstanding individuals, however the majority of them were underexpericed, "chip on their shoulder, glorified camp councillors... there was certainly a severe lack of discipline all accross the camp, and sadly alot of it was top down. the "officers" were undiciplined and poorly organized displaying very unprofessional conduct, in many cases right in front of their cadets and staff... 

now, to set the record straight. I am not biased against all CIC. I know some excellent ones, and Im sure there are quite a few who are shining examples of how the cadet movment should be run... but if could make one recomendation in regards to CIC training.. please put a little more drill and discipline into it...

thank you, and best of luck implementing the new changes

 

[foerestedwarrior]

From my experiance, CIC officers used to get real training, way back when i was in Air Cadets, my first two CO's both had taken PRes officer cources(i dont know what MOC), they were effective officers. Being down in Blackdown a few times this summer and seeing alot of innefective officers, who i later asked about their training said they did a weekend course. and it wasnt very many weekend's. I work at RCSU(c), I will see what i can find out a new training system.

 

[THEARMYGUY]

Update....  Looks like after the Commanding Officers conference last weekend the new training schedule should begin in the next year or so.  Along with a PT standard tested on a regular basis, an MOC trade number is to be given to the CIC.  The CO also told me that the old CIC courses taught at RCIS will be changed to new courses that are rank and element specific.  There will also be new courses for specific unit duties ( ie.. stores, admin and training officer courses).  This is what I know so far.

Cheers!!

The Army Guy

 

[sgt_mandal]

wow, sounds promising

 

[Lt Smash]

Alright...this is the new CIC trg prog chart...the last one I received anyways...it is always being modified...as this is the second one I have seen and it is already different from the last.

BOTC 1
12 In class days and 2 Distance Learning - deals with skills and knowledge realted to the CF
BOTC 2
4 In class and 1 Distance Learning - Knowledge and skills related to being in the CIC
Both replace the BOQ

ENVIR
8 in class and 1 Distance learning
SUP O
2 distance learning
ADMIN O
2 distance learning
THeses allow for further refinement and experience for learning

JOL, TRG O and COC
no days listed as of yet...possibilty of ammending these courses further

Hope this helps

Cheers

 

[big_castor]

The latest issue of Cadence has an article :

http://www.cadets.forces.gc.ca/_docs/cadence/2004-2/PDF/CIC_training_e.pdf

 

[qjdb]

Looks to me like the same kind of stuff that I did on my MOC in June.

Doesn't look all that different from what is already happening.  Or were my instructors just ahead of the game?  I know that PacRegion is sort of a test case (we were also the first region to use the Distance Learning for the AdminO course (I took the first one)), maybe that's why this doesn't look that radical.

Methinks that this is so that all regions are doing the same training?  I had heard that there were quite a bit of differences between CIC members back East and out here in the West, maybe this is a fix for that?

Cheers

Quentin

 

[THEARMYGUY]

Looks to me like the same kind of stuff that I did on my MOC in June.

Doesn't look all that different from what is already happening. Or were my instructors just ahead of the game? I know that PacRegion is sort of a test case (we were also the first region to use the Distance Learning for the AdminO course (I took the first one)), maybe that's why this doesn't look that radical.

Methinks that this is so that all regions are doing the same training? I had heard that there were quite a bit of differences between CIC members back East and out here in the West, maybe this is a fix for that?

Cheers

Quentin

As stated by Squadron CO, the article in the latest Cadence magazine states that there will be a working in period where some candidates will take the courses to evaluate course effectiveness before implementation.  It looks like you may have been one of the Guinea pigs.  No offense.  I hope that the programme changes for the better.  I'm not really sure what happened to the Captain Qual. crse though??  As I am an Lt. this is of some concern to me.  I would like to take it if it's still avail. however the new system may require time in rank along with specific support crses to obtain the rank of Capt.  I guess I'll find out soon enough.

Cheers!!

The Army Guy :warstory:

 

[big_castor]

Doesn't look all that different from what is already happening.   Or were my instructors just ahead of the game?   I know that PacRegion is sort of a test case (we were also the first region to use the Distance Learning for the AdminO course (I took the first one)), maybe that's why this doesn't look that radical.

The real test trials for the courses haven't begun yet.   The Standards Officer from RCIS(E) just came back from a meeting in Trenton and the latest news is that there isn't even a consensus right now on the length of the courses so where still far from trial and full implementation.

Methinks that this is so that all regions are doing the same training?   I had heard that there were quite a bit of differences between CIC members back East and out here in the West, maybe this is a fix for that?

The organisation of each RCIS   is different.   Pac has a small staff of permanent instructors, while Eastern hires people on class A for each course.   From my experience, the training philosophy also differs quite a bit form Region to Region but essentially WHAT is taught is the same, HOW it's taught might t be quite different.

I'm not really sure what happened to the Captain Qual. crse though??   As I am an Lt. this is of some concern to me.   I would like to take it if it's still avail. however the new system may require time in rank along with specific support crses to obtain the rank of Capt.   I guess I'll find out soon enough.

The current courses will remain until the new ones have been trialed, corrected and fully implemented.   We'll have a couple more CQ running until that time.   From what I know, the time in rank will increase from what it is right now in the new system, but there will not be the equivalent of a LTQ or CQ.  

 

[j.babin]

I did the "new" Captain Qualification course and it seemed watered down - most of us were bored.

 

[big_castor]

I did the "new" Captain Qualification course and it seemed watered down - most of us were bored.

There are no "new" courses being conducted right now and no recent major revisions of the course standards.