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Norquist: "Keep Canadians on their side of the border"

ballz said:
Bush Sr. didn't believe in supply-side economics (he referred to it as Voodoo economics) and the growth of debt began to slow down, and then the only time that any debt was reduced was the Clinton era.
Did Clinton pay down debt?  Or just reduce the deficit?
 
Technoviking said:
Did Clinton pay down debt?  Or just reduce the deficit?

From what I'm reading he reduced the deficit every year from 93-97, and in 98-00 ran a surplus. In 1999 and 2000 he paid down debt.

The debt was also reduced in 2001, but I'm not sure whether George W. Bush gets the credit for that technically speaking, although in reality that would be Clinton's doing as well. You can see what happened to the debt in 2002 and onward because of Bush in the graph I posted.

I know I'm probably coming across as a left-winger in all this but that couldn't be further from the truth. I just think that giving huge tax cuts to the rich is not only stupid but it's proven not to work. Give the tax cuts to small businesses that actually employ the majority of Canadians anyway, and want/need that money to grow their business, and then you'll see supply-side theory work the way it's supposed to.

Give it GM and watch them sponsor another pro-athlete and/or give the CEO a bonus. They don't need the money to compete, so why would they use it to compete?
 
Technoviking said:
Did Clinton pay down debt?  Or just reduce the deficit?

He ran surpluses which were used to reduce the debt as a proportion of GDP, though as I understand it the absolute size in $ grew
 
Well, I think the kitty has just about empty.....someone's going to have to pony up and live within their means.....

Ballz....agree with you comment about small business...
 
Redeye said:
He ran surpluses which were used to reduce the debt as a proportion of GDP, though as I understand it the absolute size in $ grew

That graph I posted is the National Debt (Real dollars), it's not as a percentage of GDP. As a percentage of GDP (which is probably more important) it went down pretty damn significantly.

That said, I can't confirm those numbers right now and I am headed off to class. Would be interested in seeing a second, more official source.

 
Thanks all!  I don't remember anything about the US having a surplus during his tenure.

So, I dug around the interwebz, came to this site, which claims that Clinton didn't have a surplus.

Meh.


He certainly did cut spending, however.

Anyway, back to keeping Canadians on their side of the border.
 
Technoviking said:
Anyway, back to keeping Canadians on their side of the border.

Too late, I've already snuck in. Don't tell Norquist though. He may try and send me back. ;D
 
How observed is the border?  I know there are many places you can just walk/swim/lose engine power and forget your oars and have to be towed while fishing across.
Edit: nevermind, google answered my question.
 
I was working on a job up in Vermont several years ago, and one of the old foreman was also a member of the Minute Men movement. When he found out I was Canadian, he stared in on the defend the borders line they all spout off. Too many undocumented people coming into the US, taking away their jobs, and wasting taxpayers money, and on and on.

I had no problem cheerfully pointing out that you don't see a whole hell of a lot of Canadians trying to sneak into the country. Didn't hear another peep out of him for the rest of the time I was there.

But I do have another engineer in my office who often introduces me to other people as the token frost-back. (Can you tell he's a conservative tea party supporter?)
 
cupper said:
But I do have another engineer in my office who often introduces me to other people as the token frost-back. (Can you tell he's a conservative tea party supporter?)

Cupper, I don't know your situation there, but is it possible this guy is just trying to be humorous?
I do know that Canadians tend to be horribly, unreasonably (IMO) sensitive to any perceived insult -especially from Americans.

I have plenty of Americans that I would consider friends -including Tea Party supporters- that don't see me as any sort of threat or inferior being.

The ones I meet that are initially hostile are, I find, generally a lot of fun to tease (they especially like it when you point out that the M-1 Garand was designed by a Canadian... >:D).
Frankly, they're a hell of a lot more fun to tease than uber-sensitive Canadians who seem to have a near pathological need to be liked by everybody.

I like and admire the Yanks. I've no burning desire to be one. I'm quite proud and happy -thank you very much- about our own history and accomplishments.
And I've yet to encounter a TEA member who didn't respect that.

Just sayin'...   
 
Bass ackwards said:
Cupper, I don't know your situation there, but is it possible this guy is just trying to be humorous?

Actually he is being humorous. I don't have a big problem with it. It does get a little old though.

I'm just not sure that he realizes that it can be insulting to the wrong person, especially when our office is made up of 15 people, 6 of whom are immigrants. 
 
Bass ackwards said:
The ones I meet that are initially hostile are, I find, generally a lot of fun to tease (they especially like it when you point out that the M-1 Garand was designed by a Canadian... >:D).

I'll have to remember that one. He is a bit of a gun nut. ;D

Bass ackwards said:
Frankly, they're a hell of a lot more fun to tease than uber-sensitive Canadians who seem to have a near pathological need to be liked by everybody.   

That's because they make it so easy to tease them.

I wouldn't consider myself sensitive when it comes to being a Canadian, and can take a joke when it's meant to be a joke.

But I subscribe to the view that Canadians tend not to be patriotic, flag waving, wear my allegiance on my sleeve types until you get them outside the country. Then we tend to be the opposite. Don't be slagging our country eh! or we'll be pulling your jersey over your head and havin' us a bench clearing donny brook of a hockey fight. >:D

:cdn:  :cdnsalute: :rofl:
 
Yep. You got it. Put the Garand to him :nod:.

I remember watching -with great amusement- American artillerymen from Fort Sill Oklahoma, in Shilo on an exchange program in early spring.
We Canucks were lying on the decks of our M-109's -shirtless- enjoying the weather, while they were huddled around in parkas looking -rather bemusedly- at us strange northern buggers.

Good guys though...   

 
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