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GINge well if you have to travel 1500km they should give you 3 days (500km for each day) CFAO 209-7 And the DCBA ref below and the CF member responsibilities and what the Training school is telling us also at the bottom.
So I don’t agree with the principal of PteMacPooi when he says this; quote
If you are travelling on the queen's dime and she says that she will put you on a plane and get you there in a day and YOU choose not to take it, and instead choose to take your own vehicle, therefore requiring you to be away from your place of duty for more days that she had offered you to take then why should she pay for you to take extra days of travel and be away from work because of a choice you made. Gone are the swan days...long gone. Unquote.
Because the CO’s agreed to let you take your PMV and therefore agreed for the person’s hour loss and if the trip is longer than 500km you are entitled to more than one day of travel.
And this has nothing to do with the clerk. But if para 3 of that waiver that we are talking about is required THEN I want to see the ref to it in the waiver and not just a blank statement. Unless it is hidden in the DCBA policy I cannot see any ref to that statement.
Beside VA and DND are separate entities with different budgets one does not govern the other and vice-versa.
DCBA: Travel in CDN with overnight stay;
3. The approving authority authorizes the mode of transportation for the TD of a member based on cost, duration, convenience, safety and practicality. Members who are authorized to utilize a privately owned mode of transportation should confirm with their insurance agent that they are adequately insured, particularly if they carry passengers.
4. When a member is requested to use a PMV on authorized CF business/duty, the high kilometric rate is payable. The CF member must use the most direct, safe and practical road route and shall claim only the distances necessarily driven on CF business travel. Alternatively, where a member requests to take a PMV in lieu of the most cost efficient mode (usually air plus taxi/bus) as determined by the CO, the member may be reimbursed high rate of mileage up to the most cost efficient mode of transportation. Therefore, if a member drove from Cold Lake to Borden, the total reimbursement shall not exceed the equivalent airfare (with the standard advance notice) plus taxi/bus.
5. Before authorization to use PMV is granted, approving authorities shall assess the impact on their budget with regard to the cost effectiveness utilizing other means of transportation, person-hours lost, distance, duration of TD, weather conditions and time of year as factors to be considered. The decision to allow members to utilize their PMV while travelling to the destination must be guided by the aforementioned factors. Notwithstanding, at no time can the maximum reimbursement exceed what it would have cost to send the member by the most economical means of transportation.
6. In the interests of safe driving, if PMV or rental vehicle is used a member shall not normally be expected to drive more than:
a. 250 kilometres after having worked a full day;
b. 350 kilometres after having worked one-half day; or
c. 500 kilometres on any day when the CF member has not worked.
Responsibilities of the CF Member
The CF member shall:
a. become familiar with the provisions of the CFTDTI;
b. obtain advance authorization to travel;
c. complete and submit travel expense claims with necessary supporting documentation as soon as possible after the completion of the travel;
d. be responsible for cancelling reservations as required, safeguarding travel advances and funds provided, and making outstanding remittances promptly; and
e. not seek reimbursement for any travel, meal or benefit provided by a third party or other government agency, ie meals provided as part of a conference.
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And who better to tell how it is then the training schools
PMC
Private Motor Vehicle (PMC) requests must be made 15 days prior to course start date as a cost comparison must be done IAW CFTDTI.
The bench mark to compare high rate of mileage (Treasury Board link for rates) to CAL/TRAIN over one day, anything within one day travel is compared with Greyhound or other bus lines bus rtn ticket with taxi to and from the members residence to the bus station, and taxi from bus station to the base of training rtn.
For travel over one day one way:
You must obtain a TAN (travel authority number) number by filling in the template or use your unit TAN to get a fare quote from AMEX . Fill in the POMV request comparison form and e-mail to xxxxx. An authorization e-mail will be sent to you and a waiver for the member to sign, as the member waives his financial entitlements by using POMV.
So I don’t agree with the principal of PteMacPooi when he says this; quote
If you are travelling on the queen's dime and she says that she will put you on a plane and get you there in a day and YOU choose not to take it, and instead choose to take your own vehicle, therefore requiring you to be away from your place of duty for more days that she had offered you to take then why should she pay for you to take extra days of travel and be away from work because of a choice you made. Gone are the swan days...long gone. Unquote.
Because the CO’s agreed to let you take your PMV and therefore agreed for the person’s hour loss and if the trip is longer than 500km you are entitled to more than one day of travel.
And this has nothing to do with the clerk. But if para 3 of that waiver that we are talking about is required THEN I want to see the ref to it in the waiver and not just a blank statement. Unless it is hidden in the DCBA policy I cannot see any ref to that statement.
Beside VA and DND are separate entities with different budgets one does not govern the other and vice-versa.
DCBA: Travel in CDN with overnight stay;
3. The approving authority authorizes the mode of transportation for the TD of a member based on cost, duration, convenience, safety and practicality. Members who are authorized to utilize a privately owned mode of transportation should confirm with their insurance agent that they are adequately insured, particularly if they carry passengers.
4. When a member is requested to use a PMV on authorized CF business/duty, the high kilometric rate is payable. The CF member must use the most direct, safe and practical road route and shall claim only the distances necessarily driven on CF business travel. Alternatively, where a member requests to take a PMV in lieu of the most cost efficient mode (usually air plus taxi/bus) as determined by the CO, the member may be reimbursed high rate of mileage up to the most cost efficient mode of transportation. Therefore, if a member drove from Cold Lake to Borden, the total reimbursement shall not exceed the equivalent airfare (with the standard advance notice) plus taxi/bus.
5. Before authorization to use PMV is granted, approving authorities shall assess the impact on their budget with regard to the cost effectiveness utilizing other means of transportation, person-hours lost, distance, duration of TD, weather conditions and time of year as factors to be considered. The decision to allow members to utilize their PMV while travelling to the destination must be guided by the aforementioned factors. Notwithstanding, at no time can the maximum reimbursement exceed what it would have cost to send the member by the most economical means of transportation.
6. In the interests of safe driving, if PMV or rental vehicle is used a member shall not normally be expected to drive more than:
a. 250 kilometres after having worked a full day;
b. 350 kilometres after having worked one-half day; or
c. 500 kilometres on any day when the CF member has not worked.
Responsibilities of the CF Member
The CF member shall:
a. become familiar with the provisions of the CFTDTI;
b. obtain advance authorization to travel;
c. complete and submit travel expense claims with necessary supporting documentation as soon as possible after the completion of the travel;
d. be responsible for cancelling reservations as required, safeguarding travel advances and funds provided, and making outstanding remittances promptly; and
e. not seek reimbursement for any travel, meal or benefit provided by a third party or other government agency, ie meals provided as part of a conference.
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And who better to tell how it is then the training schools
PMC
Private Motor Vehicle (PMC) requests must be made 15 days prior to course start date as a cost comparison must be done IAW CFTDTI.
The bench mark to compare high rate of mileage (Treasury Board link for rates) to CAL/TRAIN over one day, anything within one day travel is compared with Greyhound or other bus lines bus rtn ticket with taxi to and from the members residence to the bus station, and taxi from bus station to the base of training rtn.
For travel over one day one way:
You must obtain a TAN (travel authority number) number by filling in the template or use your unit TAN to get a fare quote from AMEX . Fill in the POMV request comparison form and e-mail to xxxxx. An authorization e-mail will be sent to you and a waiver for the member to sign, as the member waives his financial entitlements by using POMV.