Notice of CF Express

[HItorMiss]

Wonderbread, what if you just came back from a 1 hour work out?  Even though on a normal day you would pass, there are certain circumstances that could dictate otherwise.  (Work Out prior, a cold, etc). 

Even after a 1 hour workout I can sill pass an Express test because it's a bloody joke. I would hope that someone even after time in the Gym could still do 19 push ups...and do 6.5 on a run

 

[geo]

At that point the holidays were over so you didn't feel the need to be jolly and festive anymore?   

FWIW Geo...I don't agree with why Col's and CWOs do it as a person...as a former green guy, I like the idea that COs and RSMs "lead from the front"...who in The Regiment can say a word when the CO and RSM are doing it?   ;D   I bet no one slipped thru after *that* decision by the CLS.

Understand, I have no problem doing it, I was just upset at the time by having this thrown at me at the last second.
If all CWOs had to do it, I figured that all LCols would have to do it as well - what is good for the goose is good for the gander (sorta speak)

 

[George Wallace]

Well... there is the "exempt" level on the shuttle run.  If you get to that level, you don't have to do the Express test the next year..... umm.... Should I say that it's usually the case BUT, not always the case ???

<<helmets on>> started xmass block leave with an express test in my back pocket.  Come back in January to find out that the CLS had "tweaked" the rules a wee bit.....  all of a sudden, LCols in Command positions AND all Cols + CWOs were obliged to complete the express test each and every year - regardless of that Exemption.

<<helmet off>>  I had all of 5 days notification to do my express test.... been there & done that... but I must say that, when the PSP guy was encouraging me to go for the exemption level - I kindly told him what he could do with his "exemption".

Here at LFCA, it came down in the past year, that all CO's and RSM's are expected to get "Exempt" on their CF Expres tests.  Next year, all the officers and Snr NCO's must.  This policy is supposed to gradually expand from the top down, so that eventually all pers are expected to achieve an "Exempt".

I always smile when the PSP guy tells me that with "Exempt" you don't have to do it 'next year'.  Obviously (s)he has never been in a Cbt Arms unit.  ;D

 

[geo]

COs and RSMs - not a problem - I think it is just right that they should "lead" their men from the front BUT, those Lcols who are not in a command position are not required to do the express test if they hit the exempt level the previous year.... while CWOs will - that's my beef

 

[George Wallace]

Geo

I agree with you.  If it is going to be enforced on one, it should be enforced on all.  People in senior positions, who think that they have found a 'loophole' to avoid a CF Expres Test, or not make the required standard should be castigated.  If they want to threaten people with Release, or other Administrative Actions, then they must also follow the same rules.......no exceptions.

I still remember the Warriors Badge and how the standards were dropped a few times, because the instigator of that 'Badge" could not achieve the Gold level.  It truly made the whole award a farce.  If Senior officers and NCMs are acting in a similar manner with the CF Expres Test, then it makes a farce of these standards also.

 

[SupersonicMax]

Even after a 1 hour workout I can sill pass an Express test because it's a bloody joke. I would hope that someone even after time in the Gym could still do 19 push ups...and do 6.5 on a run

You and I may be able, not everybody would be.

 

[HItorMiss]

That's the problem right there isn't it...

I am a big fan of the surprise Express test. Most units do some type of organized PT, so on say a Monday you are scheduled to do a run with your PL...turns out surprise you are doing the Express test. Now you have no worries about troops going crazy at the gym before hand because they already know they have unit PT as well.

 

[George Wallace]

That's the problem right there isn't it...

I am a big fan of the surprise Express test. Most units do some type of organized PT, so on say a Monday you are scheduled to do a run with your PL...turns out surprise you are doing the Express test. Now you have no worries about troops going crazy at the gym before hand because they already know they have unit PT as well.

I agree, but I have to point out that if done correctly, unless you give everyone 24 hrs notice, many will fail before they even get to start.  Caffeine and some medication will have their Heart Rates outside of the acceptable norms to start the CF Expres test

(Notice: No double "s" on the word Expres.)    ;D

 

[blacktriangle]

Here at LFCA, it came down in the past year, that all CO's and RSM's are expected to get "Exempt" on their CF Expres tests.  Next year, all the officers and Snr NCO's must.  This policy is supposed to gradually expand from the top down, so that eventually all pers are expected to achieve an "Exempt".

I always smile when the PSP guy tells me that with "Exempt" you don't have to do it 'next year'.  Obviously (s)he has never been in a Cbt Arms unit.   ;D

Are they kidding?

Many of the aforementioned can not even pass the normal express test, or simple things like a PWT. If that's going to be the new standard, what are they going to do when a great deal of people fail to achieve? I'm not standing up for these people by any means, I just doubt LFCA will follow through with consequences...

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Are they kidding?

Many of the aforementioned can not even pass the normal express test, or simple things like a PWT. If that's going to be the new standard, what are they going to do when a great deal of people fail to achieve? I'm not standing up for these people by any means, I just doubt LFCA will follow through with consequences...

First...I took a look at your profile...you've seen how much of LFCA?  (I've never served in LFCA, only within LFAA and at CTC)  I am guessing that your post above is based on what you've seen in your former PRes unit(s)?  I am not sure I would want to paint that brush so widely on the Officers, WOs, Snr NCOs, Jnr NCOs and soldiers in Pet at 2 CMBG/units.  Again, I've never served in LFCA but I have worked with and known lots from there.  My first experience with folks from LFCA was in '92 on Basic Para at (then) CABC and I can't remember a single person on that course from Pet that fits the post of yours above, or the Res Cmbt Engrs from LFCA units that were on the course either.  They were ALL fit, keen, able soldiers.  And I've worked with many since then.  Sure, some weren't the sharpest knife in the kitchen but...neither was I.  Maybe your opinion on your capabilities and fitness will change when you hit Wainwright...

Be careful with the wide "LFCA" brush...just my $0.02.

 

[blacktriangle]

First...I took a look at your profile...you've seen how much of LFCA?  (I've never served in LFCA, only within LFAA and at CTC)  I am guessing that your post above is based on what you've seen in your former PRes unit(s)?  I am not sure I would want to paint that brush so widely on the Officers, WOs, Snr NCOs, Jnr NCOs and soldiers in Pet at 2 CMBG/units.  Again, I've never served in LFCA but I have worked with and known lots from there.  My first experience with folks from LFCA was in '92 on Basic Para at (then) CABC and I can't remember a single person on that course from Pet that fits the post of yours above, or the Res Cmbt Engrs from LFCA units that were on the course either.  They were ALL fit, keen, able soldiers.  And I've worked with many since then.  Sure, some weren't the sharpest knife in the kitchen but...neither was I.  Maybe your opinion on your capabilities and fitness will change when you hit Wainwright...

Be careful with the wide "LFCA" brush...just my $0.02.

Far enough I was talking to the reserve side, but they are still LFCA are they not? Or is this a regs thing only? Yes I know all about the 40 something RCD, RCR etc WOs that can PT me into the ground, they have my respect and were not the ones I was talking about. I think my question is still valid, what happens when people fail to meet the standard.

Also as an aside, in no way did I say I was in amazing shape or a super soldier..and if I fail out of Wainwright horribly thats my own fault, and I get out and can go be ashamed of myself somewhere not collecting pay.

Regardless though, I retract my wide brush and will slink back to my hole. Cheers