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NSA Whistle-blower Ed Snowden

Thucydides said:
The real issue (which people like Snowden and Assange overlook as well) is the vast sweeping up of data without just cause puts everyone at risk of persecution by the State. Since (as noted upthread) there are so many laws and regulations that the average person cannot keep track of them and probably is unknowingly breaking the law several times a day, then they can be targeted by unscrupulous agents of the State like prosecutors to further their own agendas, and can crush most opposition due to vast mismatch between the resources of the State and a private citizen.

While these technologies can be useful in assisting the Police and security serivces, there must be very strict limits placed on their use; including Judicial review and demonstration of "probable cause" to deploy such technology. If (insert agency here) believes that you or I are engaging in illegal activity, then they can apply for a warrent, demonstrate to a judge that there is probable cause to receive the warrent then go to town.

Exactly, so the general public has nothing to worry about it.  The warrant and legal procedures stops the use of information from getting out of control.  Look at it from a official view.  You have a bomb scare, Some known terrorist name comes up.  You check the phone logs, another name comes up.  Run John Doe #2 record.  Find out he was has a record of assault and comes from a known country and area of terrorist activity.

It's not realistic to read everyone text messages, and even if you could it is impossible to prosecute.  Security agencies still needs a judge approval.  Sure you will get the odd guy that break the rules in that regard and step outside the law on it.  I'm hard pressed to see it being anything new that didn't already happen to begin with.

I almost feel naive. I have expected the government to collect as much information as imaginably possible all my life.  The only thing I think Ed Snowden has done is ruin his life.  Isn't Julian Assage still hiding out in a Ecuador embassy? 2-3? years later.  Man what a way to live.
 
Add Bolivia to the three countries now willing to give Snowden asylum:  :boring:

link

Bolivia's Morales says he would grant asylum to Snowden if asked

Reuters – 53 minutes ago

LA PAZ (Reuters) - Bolivian President Evo Morales said on Saturday he would grant asylum, if requested, to former U.S. intelligence agency contractor Edward Snowden.

Morales' offer came after two other leftist Latin American leaders - Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro and Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega - also said they would help the U.S. fugitive, who is believed to be holed up in the transit area of a Moscow international airport.
 
S.M.A. said:
Add Bolivia to the three countries now willing to give Snowden asylum:  :boring:

link

Well of course he would, after the supposed BS he went through earlier in the week.

I'm surprised he isn't flying back to Moscow right now to grab Snowden and drag his sorry butt fly him to Bolivia.
 
The Globe and Mail is reporting that "Snowden accepted Venezuela’s asylum offer, official says before tweet deleted." the article, from the Associated Press, goes on to says that, "The head of the Russian parliament’s foreign affairs committee says Edward Snowden has accepted Venezuela’s offer of political asylum ... Alexei Pushkov made the statement on his Twitter account Tuesday. The message did not clarify how he learned of Snowden’s purported acceptance, but Pushkov has acted as an unofficial point-man for the Kremlin on the Snowden affair ... However, the tweet appears to have been deleted from his Twitter feed shortly after it was posted."
 
This might be why the tweet was deleted:
Soi-disant patriot hacker "The Jester" is taking aim at nations seen as offering aid and comfort to NSA sysadmin turned whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The Jester claimed responsibility for taking down a government-run Ecuadorian tourism site and the email server of the Ecuadorian stock exchange on Monday, before turning his attention to other potential targets.

"‪en.ecuador.travel ‬ - TANGO DOWN - Because fuck you Equador - Harboring Assange and hoping to give asylum to ‪#snowden‬," the contra-hacktivist said in a Twitter update.

Snowden applied for asylum to 20 countries in Latin America, Asia and Europe earlier this week. An additional request to apply for asylum in Russia was withdrawn after President Putin said he should stop "harming our American partners" as a pre-condition for a possible asylum request in Russia. Ecuador granted Snowden temporary travel documents that allowed him to travel between Hong Kong and Moscow two weeks ago but has since cooled on the possibility of offering asylum.

Several other countries rejected the possibility of granting Snowden asylum outright, while European nations mostly said that asylum requests can only be made by people physically in their territories, so further narrowing Snowden's options.

After Venezuela emerged as a likely candidate for refuge for Snowden, The Jester turned his attention towards the south American country.

"There's 52 VENEZUELEN Government servers visible to the internet, including 27 email servers. Who knew? ‪http://goo.gl/5kh2i‬," he tweeted.

The Jester is known for denial of service attacks against Jihadist recruitment websites as well as his antipathy towards Wikileaks in general, and founder Julian Assange (still lurking in Ecuador's London embassy) in particular. The Jester claimed responsibility for knocking Wikileaks servers offline back in late 2010, shortly after it began the controversial release of US State Department cables.

“As jihadis groom Muslims online to commit acts against us, so [Julian Assange] grooms government personnel like [Army private and accused leaker Bradley] Manning and Snowden to do his dirty work,” the Jester told FoxNews.com

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/04/patriot_hacker_takes_aim_snowden_asylum_candidates/
 
Robert0288 said:
This might be why the tweet was deleted:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/04/patriot_hacker_takes_aim_snowden_asylum_candidates/
I like the cut of his jib. 
 
NSA’s Snowden review focuses on possible access to China espionage files, officials say

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsas-snowden-case-review-focuses-on-possible-access-to-china-espionage-files-officials-say/2013/07/11/9ba0f004-e9a1-11e2-8f22-de4bd2a2bd39_story.html?hpid=z1

A National Security Agency internal review of damage caused by the former contractor Edward Snowden has focused on a particular area of concern: the possibility that he gained access to sensitive files that outline espionage operations against Chinese leaders and other critical targets, according to people familiar with aspects of the assessment.

The possibility that intelligence about foreign targets might be made public has stirred anxiety about the potential to compromise the agency’s overseas collection efforts. U.S. officials fear that further revelations could disclose specific intelligence-gathering methods or enable foreign governments to deduce their own vulnerabilities.

“We’re deeply concerned,” said one senior intelligence official, who, like others interviewed for this article, was not authorized to speak on the record. “The more that this gets made public, the more capability we lose.”

Snowden was able to range across hundreds of thousands of pages of documents on NSA networks, said one former official briefed on the issue. Another intelligence official cautioned that, at this point in the investigation, he did not appear to have obtained “collected data,” or the raw intelligence that results from hacking and other collection operations.

“He got a lot,” the official continued, but it was “not even close to the lion’s share” of what the NSA is engaged in. Still, the official said, harm to the efforts “is a concern.”

Snowden, 30, burst into global prominence a month ago, when he revealed he had passed top-
secret documents to The Washington Post and British newspaper the Guardian about classified U.S. surveillance programs. News reports based on the documents highlighted the U.S. government’s reach into the phone and Internet records of foreigners and ordinary Americans.

Snowden has told journalists that he has no desire to publicize information that describes the technical specifications or blueprints for how the NSA has constructed its eavesdropping network. At the same time, the former contractor has archived encrypted documents with people around the world, according to Glenn Greenwald, a journalist at the Guardian.

Greenwald told the online Daily Beast that “if anything happens” to Snowden, “the stories will inevitably be published.”

That has prompted concerns among U.S. officials that the documents are or could soon be outside of Snowden’s control.

It is not clear how many documents Snowden has given to others or whether those who have received the documents have the same set. Greenwald has said he has thousands of documents, but the Guardian has withheld “the majority of things that he gave us pursuant not only to his own instruction, but to our duty as journalists.” The Post has not said how many documents it has.

Investigators have largely determined what Snowden, who most recently worked at an NSA network operations center in Hawaii, was able to review within the agency’s systems. Their focus is determining which files he might have taken.

The damage assessment, being conducted by the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, is ongoing, and officials there had no comment. NSA officials also had no comment.

Intelligence officials have said they have seen signs that several terrorist groups are changing their means of communication based on information that has been published. But those claims are impossible to verify independently.

That the United States is spying on China would be no revelation to the Chinese, although Snowden’s disclosures might constrain the United States’ ability to criticize the Chinese for theft of U.S. corporate secrets to aid its own industries. Snowden told the South China Morning Post newspaper that the NSA targeted civilian facilities in Hong Kong and mainland China.

He has denied reports that he provided classified information to the Chinese or Russian governments. He first sought refuge in Hong Kong and then fled to Moscow, where he is believed to remain.

The United States is engaged in high-level talks with Chinese officials this week on strategic economic and security issues, including the theft of U.S. corporate secrets by Chinese hackers to benefit Chinese industry.

But the release of information on how the NSA has penetrated Chinese networks would be especially damaging. “It’s not in the interests of the United States for the Chinese to know exactly how we do it,” said a former intelligence official. “It’s sources and methods.”

U.S. officials also fear that some of the documents Snowden has turned over to journalists disclose NSA methods of hacking into overseas networks, and, if published, will lead targets in other countries — in the Middle East, Europe, East Asia and South Asia — to take new defensive actions.

The Snowden leaks have set off a round of hand-wringing within the intelligence community and among allies about the inability to protect sensitive information. “There is a lot of annoyance at the United States,” the former official said.

The NSA, along with the rest of the intelligence community, began to put more information in computer networks after a government commission criticized intelligence and law enforcement agencies for failing to share information that could have prevented the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Restrictions on access based on an individual’s “need to know” gave way to the presumption of a “need to share.”

But that also made it easier for systems administrators such as Snowden, whose job was to make sure the networks worked properly, to gain access to files.

The NSA director, Gen. Keith Alexander, has testified that the agency is instituting a “two-
person” rule for oversight of systems administrators, to remove their ability to act unilaterally to gain access or make changes to restricted networks. It is similar to a rule created by the Pentagon after Army Pfc. Bradley Manning leaked hundreds of thousands of documents to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.
 
55% think Snowden is a whistleblower in the USA. Obviously even more outside the US.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-10/snowden-seen-as-whistlebloweer-by-majority-in-new-poll.html

I will say I preferred when regular law enforcement had to file a special form and ask the NSA to look people up. This "Team Sport" backdoor open to everyone stuff is past it's due date. It's been over ten years lets scale it back again.  This bargain basement Prism program can't get terrorists. They don't use Hotmail, but ordinary people do. Giving every FBI field agent and countless contractors of often dubious character with limited oversight access is asking for trouble. I liked it expensive, rare and so secret you would look around the room before you even mentioned it.
 
Here's something that seems appropriate for a Friday Afternoon.

The studios are quite concerned that some of their "Big Tent Pole" movies have not fared as well as they hope.  "White House Down" and "the Lone Ranger" being two that come to mind.

Soooo, if you were an exec and your bonus and possibly job where on the line, what would you do????

Wait!!!! I have a great idea ....

Reproduced under the fair use provision of the copyright act - Check it out

New RED 2 TV Spot Parodies NSA
Source: Summit Entertainment
July 10, 2013
summit Entertainment has chosen to have a little fun with their latest TV spot for the upcoming RED 2 which cuts in President Obama's speech on the latest NSA leaks in with footage from the film. We think it works pretty well, check it out below along with a " Espionage in a Social World infographic" for the film.

link here http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=106322
 
Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden has NSA ‘blueprints’

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/glenn-greenwald-edward-snowden-nsa-blueprints-94142.html?hp=r1

Edward Snowden has very sensitive “blueprints” detailing how the National Security Agency operates that would allow someone who read them to evade or even duplicate NSA surveillance, a journalist close to the intelligence leaker said Sunday.

Glenn Greenwald, a columnist with The Guardian newspaper who closely communicates with Snowden and first reported on his intelligence leaks, told The Associated Press that the former NSA systems analyst has “literally thousands of documents” that constitute “basically the instruction manual for how the NSA is built.”

“In order to take documents with him that proved that what he was saying was true he had to take ones that included very sensitive, detailed blueprints of how the NSA does what they do,” Greenwald said in the interview in Brazil, where he lives. He said the interview took place about four hours after his last interaction with Snowden, with whom he said he’s in almost daily contact.

Snowden emerged from weeks of hiding in a Moscow airport Friday, and said he was willing to stop leaking secrets about U.S. surveillance programs if Russia would give him asylum until he can move on to Latin America.

Greenwald told The Associated Press that Snowden has insisted the information from those documents not be made public. The journalist said it “would allow somebody who read them to know exactly how the NSA does what it does, which would in turn allow them to evade that surveillance or replicate it.”

Despite their sensitivity, the journalist said he didn’t think that disclosure of the documents would prove harmful to Americans or their national security.

“I think it would be harmful to the U.S. government, as they perceive their own interests, if the details of those programs were revealed,” said the 46-year-old former constitutional and civil rights lawyer who has written three books contending the government has violated personal rights in the name of protecting national security.

He has previously said the documents have been encrypted to help ensure their safekeeping.

Greenwald, who has also co-authored a series of articles in Rio de Janeiro’s O Globo newspaper focusing on NSA actions in Latin America, said he expected to continue publishing further stories based on other of Snowden’s documents for the next four months.

Upcoming stories would likely include details on “other domestic spying programs that have yet to be revealed” which are similar in scope to those he has been reporting on. He did not provide any further details on the nature of those programs.

Greenwald said he deliberately avoids talking to Snowden about issues related to where the former analyst might seek asylum to avoid possible legal problems himself.

Snowden is believed to be stuck in the transit area of Moscow’s main international airport, where he arrived from Hong Kong on June 23. He’s had offers of asylum from Venezuela, Nicaragua and Bolivia, but because his U.S. passport has been revoked, the logistics of reaching whichever country he chooses are complicated.

Still, Greenwald said that Snowden remains “calm and tranquil,” despite his predicament.

“I haven’t sensed an iota of remorse or regret or anxiety over the situation that he’s in,” said Greenwald, speaking at a hotel in Rio de Janeiro, where he’s lived for the past eight years. “He’s of course tense and focused on his security and his short-term well-being to the best extent that he can, but he’s very resigned to the fact that things might go terribly wrong and he’s at peace with that.”
 
More on the Greenwald interview, and why Greenwald needs to reassess his role in the affair if he still wants to retain some credibility as a journalist.

Snowden documents could be 'worst nightmare' for U.S.: journalist

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/13/us-usa-security-snowden-greenwald-idUSBRE96C08Q20130713

(Reuters) - Fugitive former U.S. spy contractor Edward Snowden controls dangerous information that could become the United States' "worst nightmare" if revealed, a journalist familiar with the data said in a newspaper interview.

Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who first published the documents Snowden leaked, said in a newspaper interview published on Saturday that the U.S. government should be careful in its pursuit of the former computer analyst.

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinean daily La Nacion.

"The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."


Snowden, who is sought by Washington on espionage charges after revealing details of secret surveillance programs, has been stranded at a Moscow airport since June 23 and is now seeking refuge in Russia until he can secure safe passage to Latin America, where several counties have offered him asylum.

Greenwald told Reuters on Tuesday that Snowden would likely accept asylum in Venezuela, one of three Latin American countries that have made that offer.

Snowden's leaks on U.S. spying secrets, including eavesdropping on global email traffic, have upset Washington's friends and foes alike.

Latin American leaders lashed out at the United States after Greenwald reported in a Brazilian newspaper that the U.S. targeted most of the region with spying programs that monitored Internet traffic.

Washington has urged nations not to give Snowden safe passage.

Greenwald said in his interview with La Nacion that documents Snowden has tucked away in different parts of the world detail which U.S. spy programs capture transmissions in Latin America and how they work.

"One way of intercepting communications is through a telephone company in the United States that has contracts with telecommunications companies in most Latin American countries," Greenwald said, without specifying which company.

Carl Bernstein calls Greenwald out on his comments, Greenwald counters by dismissing Bernstein as not any actual reporting in decades.  :facepalm:

Carl Bernstein: Greenwald 'out of line'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/07/carl-bernstein-greenwald-out-of-line-168286.html

Veteran investigative reporter Carl Bernstein publicly criticized The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald on Monday over a statement he made about the National Security Agency secrets that could leak "if anything should happen" to former security contractor Edward Snowden.

"That statement by that reporter is out of line," Bernstein, who would not refer to Greenwald by his name, said on MSNBC's Morning Joe.

In a subsequent email to POLITICO, Greenwald dismissed Bernstein, a member of the duo that exposed Nixon's Watergate scandal, as someone who "hasn't done any actual reporting for a couple decades now."

According to Reuters, Greenwald had told an Argentinian paper over the weekend that “Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States."

"The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare," Greenwald reportedly said. (Greenwald has called Reuters' report "wildly distorted.")

On Morning Joe, Bernstein called Greenwald's statement "awful" and "aggressive."

"With all my regard for The Guardian, which is considerable...  that's an awful statement, and the tone in which he made it," the former Washington Post reporter said. "It's one thing to say that Mr. Snowden possesses some information that could be harmful, and that could be part of the calculation that everybody makes here. It's another to make that kind of an aggressive, non-reportorial statement [that] a reporter has no business making."

"There are, at the same time, precautions... that Snowden has taken in terms of secreting some information in various places that definitely would disclose more things -- some of which might or might not be inimical to the interests of the United States," he continued. "But that statement by that reporter is out of line."

Greenwald returned fire on Bernstein in his email to POLITICO early on Monday.

"I realize Carl Bernstein hasn't done any actual reporting for a couple decades now, but he should nonetheless take the time to read what he's opining on," he wrote. "The Reuters article he's referencing is a complete distortion of what I actually said in that interview. The point I made is the opposite one: that Snowden has been as responsible as a whistleblower can be in ensuring that only information the public should know is revealed, but not gratuitously harmful information."

UPDATE (8:51 a.m.): Bernstein, in a meeting, tells POLITICO he will be back shortly with "a specific response." But in the meantime writes:
Re: 'no actual reporting for two decades," Mr. Greenwald might want to read my reportorial biography of Hillary Clinton -- published in 2008 in Britain as well as the U.S. and around the world -- as a starting point.  He also ought to take his beef to Reuters, if he feels he was misquoted by any of us who responded on Morning Joe to the specific quote attributed to him.
 
Well after a couple of gaffes lets see if I do a bit better.

I feel the following may be of interest for the following reasons:

Topic is very controversial, and the speaker is not well regarded by many in  the military (understatement).

However, he is one of the few remaining people able to make these statements with this level of authority.

It would be very interesting if any of his successor chose to rebut him.

Ok, here is the headline "Jimmy Carter Defends Edward Snowden, Says America Has No Functioning Democracy
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/855289/jimmy-carter-defends-edward-snowden-says-america-has-no-functioning-democracy/#1OzySqgzr62bbMOp.99

reproduced under the fair use provision of the copyright act

"Speaking at a closed-door event of the Atlantik Brucke in Atlanta"

If you google the topic you will see this is only being reported in the alt press, with the exceptions of Salon (no detail)  and Der Spiegel, and that account is in German only.

Here is another quote


In an article for The New York Times last year, Cater also warned that the United States would “forfeit its moral authority” if it continued to strip away the civil rights of its citizens"
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/855289/jimmy-carter-defends-edward-snowden-says-america-has-no-functioning-democracy/#1OzySqgzr62bbMOp.99

To extend RT, Russia Times is carrying this as is Der Speigel. I would love to be wrong but I feel that those have had the misfortune to live under TRULY tyrannical regimes have a much better appreciation as to how fragile democracy can be, as opposed to those, like myself who have known nothing else, and are perhaps too complacent.

 
I think the main lesson of the last century of COIN is that if you lose the moral high ground you lose the war. Doctrine trumps brute strength. I see us losing our way morally. The cost of this accrues interest at a high rate. We are not greeted as liberators anymore. Wars become longer, more expensive and eventually unwinnable. Needing the tools of a police state indicates corruption is eroding everything that made us special and successful as a nation.
 
I disagree.COIN is manpower intensive.For COIN to work you must first defeat the bad guys.ISAF did not have the manpower required to fully implement the doctrine.Ultimately whether the taliban return to power is all about the effectiveness of the Afghan security forces.
 
tomahawk6 said:
I disagree.COIN is manpower intensive.For COIN to work you must first defeat the bad guys.ISAF did not have the manpower required to fully implement the doctrine.Ultimately whether the taliban return to power is all about the effectiveness of the Afghan security forces.
I do wonder, however, if the US had not become involved in Iraq would the outcome be different in Afghanistan?  If all their capacity had been brought to bear decisevly early on in when the Taliban were on the ropes instead of losing the momentum gained would we not now be looking at a stable country and our exit secure in the knowledge we wouldn't need to worry about the future?
 
tomahawk6 said:
I disagree.COIN is manpower intensive.For COIN to work you must first defeat the bad guys.ISAF did not have the manpower required to fully implement the doctrine.Ultimately whether the taliban return to power is all about the effectiveness of the Afghan security forces.
The Russians did have the manpower and much more murderous track record. This actually worked against them. They had more resources for COIN but they were so hated(doctrinal weakness) they lost just the same.
 
Is this guy's fifteen minutes almost up?
 
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