Ontario Judge Dismisses Murder Charges For Jail Actions- fromLiberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[RangerRay]

We’re definitely going to need more jails if bail is going to be harder to obtain. Hopefully this is addressed in the budget.

Just don’t let your provincial government off the hook! They need to do their part.

 

[Cloud Cover]

We’re definitely going to need more jails if bail is going to be harder to obtain. Hopefully this is addressed in the budget.

We have a penitentiary and prison system built for when Canada had a population of 26 million, not 41 million. At the old figures, the correctional system was stressed to the breaking point. At today’s scale, it is completely shagged and shattered.

 

[Eaglelord17]

We have a penitentiary and prison system built for when Canada had a population of 26 million, not 41 million. At the old figures, the correctional system was stressed to the breaking point. At today’s scale, it is completely shagged and shattered.

So basically standard Canadian practice, low quality results and no plan to correct it.

 

[Cloud Cover]

So basically standard Canadian practice, low quality results and no plan to correct it.

When is the last time a politician, specifically a public safety minister, a finance minister, a solicitor general, attorney general, Prime Minister or Premier put forth “we need to build more jails”.
Because we do need to build more jails, with better living facilities, inmate “client” services, quality of life improvements for inmates, and safety and modernization equipment for CO’s.
If the police want something, they usually get it eventually. Hospitals? Oh here please accept this cheque. But Corrections? Oh no, we can’t do that.
And we really should, because that way judges can stop discounting sentences due to holding conditions. You might actually see crime go down by having criminals serve their sentences. And modern tech and better across the board facilities and services can lower the cost per day/inmate. But no, not in Canada. Not anywhere actually except Scandinavia.

 

[OldSolduer]

This is what happens when you treat managers so badly for decades that no intelligent person with their head on straight would take the job.
And I do feel sorry for the CO's, after years of being assaulted, mocked, and laughed at, there probably was some over enthusiasm. You can only take having piss/shit/fists thrown at you for so long, with no punitive measures taken, before you relish a little payback.

But, ABSOLUTELY fuckin' ridiculous that this has anything to do with charges against people. Just more fodder to stop letting only lawyers be judges, corrupt as the mafia.........not even sure why we have elected officials/ rule of law anymore.

I can't speak to your system but here in MB we are getting overcrowded, despite our Minister of "Justice" saying otherwise.

The reason I never applied to be a supervisor (despite my qualifications) is that supervisors deal with staff problems and inmate problems. The staff problems are often not fun to deal with and often complicated. You can deal with everything from tardiness (no one deals with staff arriving late for work), staff malfeasance, outright crime, staff having sex (allegedly) on duty, staff that are stressed out to the point of thoughts of suicide, etc etc.
ADD to that senior management (we don't have leadership) bugging the Unit Managers all the time over petty bullshit like "Officer so and so was wearing his issue ball cap on duty".
Its not easy - if it was anyone could do it.

 

[OldSolduer]

The only people that treated him worse than inmates were all the other managers who wanted his job.

Sometimes the inmates treat you better than senior management does.

 

[Eaglelord17]

When is the last time a politician, specifically a public safety minister, a finance minister, a solicitor general, attorney general, Prime Minister or Premier put forth “we need to build more jails”.
Because we do need to build more jails, with better living facilities, inmate “client” services, quality of life improvements for inmates, and safety and modernization equipment for CO’s.
If the police want something, they usually get it eventually. Hospitals? Oh here please accept this cheque. But Corrections? Oh no, we can’t do that.
And we really should, because that way judges can stop discounting sentences due to holding conditions. You might actually see crime go down by having criminals serve their sentences. And modern tech and better across the board facilities and services can lower the cost per day/inmate. But no, not in Canada. Not anywhere actually except Scandinavia.

None, because they don’t care.

The revolving door justice system we have I am convinced is the perk in the minds of the elites not a con. Last I checked it averages 160k—250k a year per prisoner.

Not funding it enough so they get released costs a lot less.

The politicians and their ilk can afford to live in areas free of said crime so they don’t care if the criminal reoffends or not. Unless it’s something like the United Healthcare assassination at which point they all mobilize and try to do something (as that is targeting them and their friends).

They live in another world from the average Canadian and refuse to do anything to help until it is directly effecting them. Poor healthcare? They all have drs so why do they care? High housing costs? They own a lot of properties and actively benefit from it. Catch and release? Most of them live and target lower income areas.

No interest in fixing anything, just trying to wait out another election cycle for them and their cronies to get back in.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Corrections is a thankless job. I did provincial and federal. Canada lacks the prison infrastructure it needs and lacks the political desire to address it beyond blaming the CO’s and letting prisoners out.

Who wants to be the party that says we needs more jails?

Corrections is a thankless job. I did provincial and federal. Canada lacks the prison infrastructure it needs and lacks the political desire to address it beyond blaming the CO’s and letting prisoners out.

Who wants to be the party that says we needs more jails?

Sometimes the inmates treat you better than senior management does.

My father is a retired as a federal Warden. Now he does hiring for CSC and gives tours at KP. If you have taken a tour there, good chance he was your guide. Its a really good tour, and the museum across the street is really well done, Kingston should hype it up more.

My father has said the very same statements, word for word, as you two.

I have a lot of respect for what Corrections does, my hat is off to you and all of them. Two jobs I will never do; school teacher and corrections.

 

[lenaitch]

Hospitals? Oh here please accept this cheque.

We wish.

I have a very close relative who was a guest of a provincial institution for few months after doing something non-violently stupid. His 'roomy' was a rather unsavoury gentlemen awaiting trial for homicide. He was basically terrified for several months.

Ontario has gone to the 'regional' correctional centre model in the south and closed all of the old jails that were essentially county-based. Most of the new jails cover a large geographic area. Inmates heading to and from court now spend a lot of time in the back of a truck. It's even worse for young offenders in custody. We in the north still mostly have our district jails. Ours was built in 1930.

 

[Cloud Cover]

We wish.

I have a very close relative who was a guest of a provincial institution for few months after doing something non-violently stupid. His 'roomy' was a rather unsavoury gentlemen awaiting trial for homicide. He was basically terrified for several months.

Ontario has gone to the 'regional' correctional centre model in the south and closed all of the old jails that were essentially county-based. Most of the new jails cover a large geographic area. Inmates heading to and from court now spend a lot of time in the back of a truck. It's even worse for young offenders in custody. We in the north still mostly have our district jails. Ours was built in 1930.

On Elm street?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Corrections is a thankless job. I did provincial and federal. Canada lacks the prison infrastructure it needs and lacks the political desire to address it beyond blaming the CO’s and letting prisoners out.

Who wants to be the party that says we needs more jails?

I want more jails, so we can separate the non-violent and recoverable inmates from the hardcore and most violent. Spend most of our money helping the former find a way away from crime and legal system.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Hmmm, if only there was a diversion path institution that could teach young people self worth, self respect, self discipline, self care, team work, values, dedication, duty, honour, morals, ethics, citizenship and perhaps a worthwhile career.

 

[YZT580]

Just don’t let your provincial government off the hook! They need to do their part.

no one goes to a federal prison unless they have been convicted and sentenced so all those folks out on bail need to be housed in a provincial facility so the money is needed there and not federally. It isn't Carney and co. job to build the jails, it is their job to mandate the judges through changes in law to fill those jails.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Hmmm, if only there was a diversion path institution that could teach young people self worth, self respect, self discipline, self care, team work, values, dedication, duty, honour, morals, ethics, citizenship and perhaps a worthwhile career.

Not a option anymore unfortunately, those people likely wouldn’t hold up to the commissars ethics requirements to be in uniform.

 

[OldSolduer]

My father is a retired as a federal Warden. Now he does hiring for CSC and gives tours at KP. If you have taken a tour there, good chance he was your guide. Its a really good tour, and the museum across the street is really well done, Kingston should hype it up more.

My father has said the very same statements, word for word, as you two.

I have a lot of respect for what Corrections does, my hat is off to you and all of them. Two jobs I will never do; school teacher and corrections.

I went and toured KP in 2006. What a hell hole.

 

[OldSolduer]

Sometimes the inmates treat you better than senior management does.

I should clarify this.

Often a floor staff will call an inmate on his behaviour but the inmate complains and guess who is backed?
The real shit sticks are treated with kid gloves. High profile ones (Uncle Peter Nyga@rd) was givrn very special treatment as an inmate and the other inmates hated him.

 

[mariomike]

Worked part-time at the Don. Didn't try to understand them. Just counted heads and turned keys.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Worked part-time at the Don. Didn't try to understand them. Just counted heads and turned keys.

Old Don? That must have been an experience.

 

[mariomike]

Old Don? That must have been an experience.

No. "New" Don. Built 1958.