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Ontario Lottery Corporation Strikes Out Again

Bruce Monkhouse

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How in the world do we get morons running things in high places in the Ontario Govt.?
Sounds like the OLG needs a clean-up in high places as the stupid just seems to pile higher and higher......



http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/03/10/olg-cars.html
Ontario Lottery Corporation Blasted for Benz Giveaway Amid Auto Crisis

Deputy Premier George Smitherman lambasted the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. on Tuesday for its planned lottery of imported cars at casinos next month, saying lottery executives made a "crappy decision" as the province's own auto industry struggles to survive.

During question period at the provincial legislature in Toronto, Conservative MPP Ted Chudleigh asked the Liberal government why the OLG is giving away 22 Mercedes-Benz B200s during its April "License to Win" competition, instead of cars made by Ontarians.
"You'd think the OLG would be sensitive to the problems that we face in the automotive sector," Chudleigh said.

Responding for the Liberals, Smitherman said he agreed "entirely" with Chudleigh's question and added he had a face-to-face meeting over the contest with OLG chief executive officer Kelly McDougald.
"I told her in no uncertain terms that the purchase of those vehicles represents very, very bad judgment on the part of that organization," Smitherman said.

Smitherman then went further with his criticism outside the legislature.
'Wrong on all levels'
"It was a crappy decision, and I let them know it full-force that it would not be tolerated going forward," he told reporters.
"It's disappointing, it's disillusioning, and it's wrong on all levels and it was a big mistake made."

The outcry comes as members of the Canadian Auto Workers union began voting on a tentative labour deal with General Motors that was reached over the weekend.
The proposed deal covers roughly 10,000 CAW members at GM's Ontario operations in Oshawa, St. Catharines, Woodstock and Windsor.

It would eliminate a $1,700 annual "special bonus" and reduce paid time off to 40 hours a year from 80 hours. (This time is in addition to vacation entitlements ranging up to five weeks annually for high-seniority workers, reduced last year from six weeks.)
GM workers would also for the first time make payments toward their own health benefits — $30 a month per worker family.


The deal is also contingent on GM winning support from the federal and provincial governments.
In December, the governments of Canada and Ontario offered the automakers $4 billion in aid to prevent a collapse of Canada's auto sector amid the faltering global economy.

The OLG, a Crown corporation of the province, was not immediately available for comment on the contest.
The OLG is still recovering from the fallout of a scandal in recent years over allegations that several lottery clerks stole winning tickets from unsuspecting customers and cashed in millions of dollars in prizes themselves.

The allegations came to light in 2006, when CBC's The Fifth Estate told the story of Bob Edmonds, an 82-year-old Ontario man who sued the lottery corporation in 2005. Edmonds, from the town of Coboconk, alleged he won $250,000, but his prize was fraudulently claimed at his local corner store.
 
Maybe they realized that a Ford Taurus just doesn't scream "jackpot" to people.
 
A free car of any sort would jerk my jackpot chain....
 
I'd give you mine, but the environmental clean-up costs to junk it may not be a "win."    ;D
 
So your holding out for this? ;)

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/03/10/8696136.html
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty isn’t ruling out a so-called scrappage program to boost sales of new cars in the troubled auto industry.

The proposal would give consumers a $3,500 rebate or credit when they trade in a vehicle that’s at least 11 years old and buy a new one.
The idea has been floated before, but Ford Canada CEO David Mondragon raised it again in a parliamentary committee meeting Monday, saying governments needs to give consumers more incentive to buy new cars.

McGuinty says Mondragon pitched the proposal to him last week, and admits it’s a compelling idea.
He says it’s one of many “asks” that his finance minister is considering as he puts together a budget for March 26.

The federal government gives consumers a $300 credit to scrap old cars and purchase new ones, but Mondragon said it’s so puny no one is using it.
He said incentives to buy new cars is the best way to rescue Canada’s troubled auto industry, not direct bailouts.

The Ontario and federal governments pledged in December to provide billions of dollars to troubled automakers General Motors and Chrysler to help them stave off bankruptcy.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
So your holding out for this? ;)
The proposal would give consumers a $3,500 rebate or credit when they trade in a vehicle that’s at least 11 years old and buy a new one.

That's like a trade-in plus a free $2K .... Jackpot!    ;D

Now, how "new" does the new car have to be?  Does "new to me" count?
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/03/10/8696136.html
but Ford Canada CEO David Mondragon raised it again in a parliamentary committee meeting Monday, saying governments needs to give consumers more incentive to buy new cars.

They couldnt sell their cars when they were basicaly giving them away. So i doubt anything is going to change from such "initiative".

What he means is that he wants to government to create incentives for people to buy domestic POS that they dont want to buy now and havent for some time. People will go to foreign cars........
 
We are only seeing one part of the story here.  How far back did OLG start the planning for this initiative?  When did they commit the funds to buying the vehicles and running the ad campaign?  This stuff just doesn't come in a week, so likely this give away of theirs was in the working stages long before the full bloom of the crisis.  Even if they did consider using cars made in Ont, one of the key deciders was probably was how much money was already sunk into the whole premise of giving away 'Benzs.  Which IMHO is a far better prize than anything made by the auto sector in Canada. 

To me it is just another example of the Auto Industry and the CAW crying foul about a situation that they by years of mismanagement have done to themselves.
 
Is anyone going to tell me that everyone in Windsor, Oakville and Oshawa drive only North American built automobiles?
 
MJP said:
To me it is just another example of the Auto Industry and the CAW crying foul about a situation that they by years of mismanagement have done to themselves.

BINGO !

Shitty products, shitty service and the unions is whats killed the NA auto industry..........not the OLG.
 
True... but the OLC doesn't count for as many votes as the CAW.
 
George Wallace said:
Is anyone going to tell me that everyone in Windsor, Oakville and Oshawa drive only North American built automobiles?

I will. Far from it. The ones I like are the Big Three cars and trucks driven by Union people. The vehicles are made in Mexico, then the owner puts a sticker on it. "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign"  ;)
 
recceguy said:
I will. Far from it. The ones I like are the Big Three cars and trucks driven by Union people. The vehicles are made in Mexico, then the owner puts a sticker on it. "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign"  ;)

Yup, just like all their workers supported the North American electronics industries, clothing industries, etc.  Show me the CAW worker with no foreign made goods in their house.  Or does that only apply to what we drive because that's what they get overpaid to produce?

On average, Canadian auto-sector workers make about $35 an hour—$72,000 a year—plus benefits. The average wage of a Canadian anufacturing-sector employee, by comparison, is $20.75 an hour, or $41,500 a year.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/12/18/auto-workers-make-a-lot-of-money%E2%80%94but-not-that-much/
 
Michael O'Leary said:
Yup, just like all their workers supported the North American electronics industries, clothing industries, etc.  Show me the CAW worker with no foreign made goods in their house.  Or does that only apply to what we drive because that's what they get overpaid to produce?

Can't beat them off with a stick at WalMart, Future Shop or Best Buy. But they will shop at Costco. They get a special Union rate on membership, IIRC.
 
Dear Dalton, etc.

I am much less inclined to participate in any OLC game if I am only going to be offered a "Detroit 3" vehicle as a prize. I want to win something that is valuable. (This also means I won't be using any proposed government trade in money unless I can choose what new vehicle to buy without restrictions).

Just so you know
 
Thucydides said:
Dear Dalton, etc.

I am much less inclined to participate in any OLC game if I am only going to be offered a "Detroit 3" vehicle as a prize. I want to win something that is valuable. (This also means I won't be using any proposed government trade in money unless I can choose what new vehicle to buy without restrictions).

Just so you know

They should've bought a bunch of Lexus RX350's which are built in Cambridge or Acura MDX's which are built in Alliston. 

That being said, I'd love to see a list of all the MPP's and what they and their families drive.  I think this falls into the "Holy Hypocrite!" category.



Matthew. 
 
MJP, at post 7, raised the issue of when the planning started for this promotion. This was also raised by the lottery corporation who stated that planning had begun before the current recession had begun. True enough, but the corporation was obsfucatng a bit; the slowdown in auto sales and the layoffs in the industry certainly did not just begin a couple of months ago. Remember the $100 million to GM last year to keep a plant open, which they closed anyway.

Nobody comes out of this looking very good. The lottery corporation appears insensitive and out of tough with reality, while the provincial government just plain looks dumb. As for the politicians, well they look like politicians.
 
You couldn't give me an American made car right now, because frankly, I think they are ugly, and do not put enough thought into quality vs quantity... And to top it all off, I can get a better and better looking Asian car, for less then a comparable American car.

Those clowns need to stop making what they think we want, and start making things that we actually want. Which means pre-testing the damned product before spending millions making something we do not want.
 
      I don't blame the Lottery for not using Ontario made cars .    The bigest problem with GM is the quality of their vehicles. If they built better quality vehicles they would sell more plane and simple .  Prime example I bought my first brand new vehicle in 2006 a small Pontiac Wave  I figured something simple good on gas . Man was I wrong the cars computer  fried itself in the first 6months of owner ship than after that for the next year the car would start up fine but every month or so you just couldn't shift out of park and its an automatic .            The GM Garage where I bought  would replacing the baring in the part over an over and over again Finally after a year I got fed up at this point and phoned head office the next time it went in and gave them a peace of my mind . It finally got fixed properly it wasn't the baring it was wiring harness that got damaged when the computer fried itself a year ago .   
 
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