Ontario Workplace Safety Board Rules In Favour Of Policeman's Family For PTSD
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recceguy said:
I'm surprised at how quick I'm being attacked by a majority that have no reason to listen to me and I apologize if my windstorm farts aren't as biased and/or contradictory as yours. I must thank you for putting in the time and effort to reading and responding to my ramblings which aren't even on your wavelength. How thoughtful of you.
I feel proud that I am bold enough to speak my mind with some intelligence and perhaps compromise on this subject, whilst in the centre of some who resemble a primitive mob armed with pitchforks. I think I've made my point.
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tango22a said:
Good!
The next time he leaves gaol should be in a hearse.
About for a recent Zer0 post who mentions one of these cowardly murderers got a second chance at life, the Cop murdered did not, and try telling that to his family.
To even show one gram of sympathy for any cold blooded murderer is in my opinon plain bad taste.
29 years later, lets hope he remains behind bars until his heart quits beating.
The 'rot in gaol' (of course with heat, air-conditioning, cable TV, and 3 square meals a day, socialising with other criminals, sitting on one's bum smoking cigarettes) factor has got my vote 110%.
OWDU
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My heart goes out to the family of Constable Sweet. I think that's where most of you are mistaken, even though I mention my thoughts of the whole outcome. It isn't news anymore that his parole was denied. Other than that I'll wait until someone posts a legitimate response...
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Zer0 said:
Whether you're speaking with intelligence is strictly a matter of opinion.
Daniel in the lion's den? Primitive mob? Who is labelling who for their opinions now? Rather hypocritical is it not?
Made your point? Only to assauge your own ego and concience perhaps. I saw nothing substantial in it.
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To illustrate how bad things can get politically in Toronto, our mayor, John Sewell, to his everlasting shame, decided not to attend the funeral. P.C. Sweet was shot only a block away from City Hall, and later died at Toronto General Hospital, also a short distance away.
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"Yup, all better now Boss" :
A psychological assessment done last month for the parole review diagnosed Munro with antisocial personality disorder.
“The board determined that you were still minimizing your role in your account of the crime, as well as your general demeanour and criminal values at the time,” the board says in documents released Tuesday.
“You seem not to understand the full meaning of the anti-social personality disorder you have been diagnosed as having.”
“Fully accepting responsibility for your crime is still an issue and true empathy was not evidenced today,” the board says.
“Even though you repeatedly admittedly the harm you had caused it was perceived as impression management rather than true affect. Hence your credibility is questionable.”
A psychological assessment done last month for the parole review diagnosed Munro with antisocial personality disorder.
“The board determined that you were still minimizing your role in your account of the crime, as well as your general demeanour and criminal values at the time,” the board says in documents released Tuesday.
“You seem not to understand the full meaning of the anti-social personality disorder you have been diagnosed as having.”
“Fully accepting responsibility for your crime is still an issue and true empathy was not evidenced today,” the board says.
“Even though you repeatedly admittedly the harm you had caused it was perceived as impression management rather than true affect. Hence your credibility is questionable.”
So many of you just read this post now, did your google search, and all of a sudden are educated upon the subject. Please; don't make me laugh. I'm finished fighting a battle I obviously won't win against some who are too narrow, simple minded, don't even understand my posts, and try to see their point across by adding insults to the equation. Tell me, if by chance Craig Munro does get parole what will you do? Protest? Or just rant and rave like the forum vets that you are?
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Nobody is laughing Sunshine. I [and I think I can speak for the we] don't give a flyin' f@&* if any of these clowns became the new Virgin Mary, they should have been put down a long time ago.Zer0 said:
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Zer0 said:
I will politely and briefly chime in...
Zer0,
Listen in mate, you've touched a nerve with me, so hopefully you will take some real time and have a quick read. Don't worry, I won't insult you, thats against forum guidelines.
Forum Vets?
Educated on the subject?
Narrow minded?
Simple minded?
Well ole chum, back on the Thanksgiving weekend of 1977, I had a schoolmate murdered in cold blood in Saskatchewan.
He was Richard Alan Proud, of Regina.
Unlike us, he never had a chance to have a full time girlfriend, fall in love, grow up, get married and have a family, enjoy a successful career and have his family be proud of him and all of his success. He was only 17 years old.
Life ended instantly in a back alley, point blank via both barrels from a Baikal 12 gauge shotgun, and his car keys for his 1963 white two door Chev were still clutched in his hand.
His killer got 2 yrs less a day claiming mistaken identity- he claimed to have shot the wrong person. Rick was guilty of taking a short cut through a back yard.
I suggest you get some real life experience in regarding to actual genuine loss (shy of granny in her coffin) before making such foolish irresponsible statements. You have the option of hiding here on the INet, and therefore have plenty of 'courage' to spout such nonsense.
Rick never had a chance to finish his education, and accomplish any of his goals, like some of us 'forum vets' have done.
His family lost a brother, a son, and I lost a good friend.
I am sure 29 yrs ago the murdered Constable lost just as much and more, while his cowardly murderers lost only their freedom. Craig Munro is a murderer, and a life sentance should mean LIFE. A leopard does not change its spots, and he does not deserve any freedom outside his guarded exercise area.
So, before you gob off, kindly don't lecture us on the subject matter you obviously know SFA about.
Since 1977 ( I am 49), I have lost a host of friends to unfortunate incidents in peace and war, and many on here have had the same through their occupations and life travels, be that LEO and military or whatever.
I think its pathetic you possess such an attitude, and that tells me you got some serious growing up to do.
Here is Rick's grave.
Kindly feel free to remove the size 14E combat boot from your mouth anytime.
Regards from a tropical winter's day,
OWDU
Just another simple minded 'forum vet' and Iraq vet.
Oops- edited yet again for silly spelling mistakes
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Zer0 said:
You have some serious priority problems buckwheat.
What will I do? Hope and pray he gets flattened by an eighteen wheeler as he steps out of the gate, or how ironic would it be if he was mugged and shot to death by some gun wielding punk as he savoured his first Starbucks.
Sorry, I'll admit I'm probably the youngest on this thread, but I don't think I'm the one who needs growing up; at least I'm trying to be somewhat mature. As for getting real life experience I've lost a parent as well due to crime on the streets so don't talk to me about genuine loss. The fact that I can forgive someone, I think, shows that I'm not as narrow minded as others, regardless of a hate that takes years to overcome. I tip my hat off to you for serving overseas and to anyone else for that matter (it would be a dream of mine) but if you had the balls to say that to someone's face a 14E combat wouldn't have to be removed from my mouth, trust me. I'm glad no one has gone against forum guidelines for insulting me.Overwatch Downunder said:
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Zer0 said:
Excuse me, but you have been confrontational ever since you joined this site. Perhaps you should seriously reflect on your last post and decide if your words actually ring true.
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Zer0 said:
Zer0,
Talk is cheap, you've made that more than obvious.
With the attitude you have presented since you first come on here, what you have said above means NOTHING, especially the 'lecture'.
This is the INet afterall, and just as I predicted, you responded as I thought you would.
I am sure you'll go far in the CF.
OWDU
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http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/mark_bonokoski/2010/03/11/13198086.html
News Columnists / Mark Bonokoski
Stress is a killer
By MARK BONOKOSKI, Toronto Sun
Last Updated: March 11, 2010 4:44pm
Within the next two weeks, Toronto Police Association president Mike McCormack plans to sit down with Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair and, if all goes well, the force will hopefully take a huge step into the 21st century.
And it will begin with the name of the late Eddie Adamson, son of a former Toronto police chief, being added to the Toronto Police Honour Roll as having died in the line of duty, and with the post-traumatic stress disorder that ultimately killed him finally losing the career-stifling stigma that keeps it in hiding.
As reported here last year, Eddie Adamson, son of former Metro Toronto police chief Harold Adamson, went to a motel in Simcoe County in October 2005 and took his own life — his room littered with his police notebooks from the day that incalculably changed his life forever, and with the newspaper clippings that documented that day’s horrific events.
While it was no doubt a gun that ended Eddie Adamson’s life and forced his early retirement, what truly loaded that weapon was the cumulative effect of what happened on March 14, 1980 — 30 years ago this Sunday —when Toronto Const. Michael Sweet, a father of three young girls, was shot, held hostage, and allowed to bleed out by the infamous Munro brothers during a fumbled robbery of George’s Bourbon St. bistro on Queen St. W.
One of those brothers, triggerman Craig Munro, has another parole hearing scheduled for next Tuesday.
What sad irony is that?
Sgt. Ed Adamson headed up the Emergency Task Force on the day Sweet died. He wanted to storm the restaurant, knowing Sweet was wounded and likely on death’s door.
But he was ordered to stand down.
And obeying that order haunted him to his grave.
This can no longer be denied.
The Workplace Safety and Insurance Board finally caught up with the 21st century itself by ruling last year that Adamson’s death was not simply brought on by a bullet from a gun but from post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) triggered by the guilt he felt each day for the last years of his life for not disobeying the order to stand down and, instead, storming the bistro to save 30-year-old Michael Sweet’s life.
By the time Adamson was given the good-to-go order, and led the assault on the restaurant, the sound of gunshots filling the air, Michael Sweet had already slipped away.
But there was Adamson, nonetheless, so overcome by the tear gas that he eventually had to be hospitalized, trying to give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a fellow officer who was already lying dead because they got there too late.
It was a horror he could never shake.
Old-school terminology wrote him off as suffering from “burnout” or “battle fatigue,” and promoted the fallacy that it could be shaken off if one’s mind were put to it.
But WSIB appeals adjudicator Mark Evans ruled — and ruled definitively— that Eddie Adamson “suffered an acute post-traumatic reaction” from being too late to save Const. Michael Sweet’s life because of that “stand down” order being obeyed and that, from that day onward, the slippery slope to his suicide was medically understandable, clinically explainable, and therefore virtually predictable.
As police assocation president Mike McCormack said, “Eddie Adamson’s case is a template of a death brought on by work-related post-traumatic stress disorder.
“He should be honoured with his name on the wall.”
Two weeks ago, the Globe & Mail dedicated almost a full page to “the untold perils of policing,” and how the Toronto Police Service is now starting to address the post-traumatic stress disorders that “quietly afflicts” so many police officers.
Last month, Chief Blair addressed the issue of mental health and posted it on the force’s internal network — stating the time had come to adapt to the “changing needs of the organization, with an enduring commitment to health and wellness.”
Suicide among police officers is not rare and, although not all can be directly attributed to PTSD, many are.
According to a recent article by retired Toronto cop Colin Davies, posted on the police retirees’ website, there were 22 recorded Toronto Police suicides between 1975 and 2006 and then, in 2007, there were four — two officers, one civilian employee, and one auxiliary officers.
This does not mean, of course, that all — or any — deserve to have their names on the police honour roll.
But none can arguably compete with the special circumstances that added up to Eddie Adamson’s death.
Two weeks ago, at a police service east of Toronto, a 29-year-old officer, a father of two young children, took his own life in the gun-storage room of his detachment.
His story, of course, did not make the news.
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News Columnists / Mark Bonokoski
Stress is a killer
By MARK BONOKOSKI, Toronto Sun
Last Updated: March 11, 2010 4:44pm
Within the next two weeks, Toronto Police Association president Mike McCormack plans to sit down with Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair and, if all goes well, the force will hopefully take a huge step into the 21st century.
And it will begin with the name of the late Eddie Adamson, son of a former Toronto police chief, being added to the Toronto Police Honour Roll as having died in the line of duty, and with the post-traumatic stress disorder that ultimately killed him finally losing the career-stifling stigma that keeps it in hiding.
As reported here last year, Eddie Adamson, son of former Metro Toronto police chief Harold Adamson, went to a motel in Simcoe County in October 2005 and took his own life — his room littered with his police notebooks from the day that incalculably changed his life forever, and with the newspaper clippings that documented that day’s horrific events.
While it was no doubt a gun that ended Eddie Adamson’s life and forced his early retirement, what truly loaded that weapon was the cumulative effect of what happened on March 14, 1980 — 30 years ago this Sunday —when Toronto Const. Michael Sweet, a father of three young girls, was shot, held hostage, and allowed to bleed out by the infamous Munro brothers during a fumbled robbery of George’s Bourbon St. bistro on Queen St. W.
One of those brothers, triggerman Craig Munro, has another parole hearing scheduled for next Tuesday.
What sad irony is that?
Sgt. Ed Adamson headed up the Emergency Task Force on the day Sweet died. He wanted to storm the restaurant, knowing Sweet was wounded and likely on death’s door.
But he was ordered to stand down.
And obeying that order haunted him to his grave.
This can no longer be denied.
The Workplace Safety and Insurance Board finally caught up with the 21st century itself by ruling last year that Adamson’s death was not simply brought on by a bullet from a gun but from post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) triggered by the guilt he felt each day for the last years of his life for not disobeying the order to stand down and, instead, storming the bistro to save 30-year-old Michael Sweet’s life.
By the time Adamson was given the good-to-go order, and led the assault on the restaurant, the sound of gunshots filling the air, Michael Sweet had already slipped away.
But there was Adamson, nonetheless, so overcome by the tear gas that he eventually had to be hospitalized, trying to give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a fellow officer who was already lying dead because they got there too late.
It was a horror he could never shake.
Old-school terminology wrote him off as suffering from “burnout” or “battle fatigue,” and promoted the fallacy that it could be shaken off if one’s mind were put to it.
But WSIB appeals adjudicator Mark Evans ruled — and ruled definitively— that Eddie Adamson “suffered an acute post-traumatic reaction” from being too late to save Const. Michael Sweet’s life because of that “stand down” order being obeyed and that, from that day onward, the slippery slope to his suicide was medically understandable, clinically explainable, and therefore virtually predictable.
As police assocation president Mike McCormack said, “Eddie Adamson’s case is a template of a death brought on by work-related post-traumatic stress disorder.
“He should be honoured with his name on the wall.”
Two weeks ago, the Globe & Mail dedicated almost a full page to “the untold perils of policing,” and how the Toronto Police Service is now starting to address the post-traumatic stress disorders that “quietly afflicts” so many police officers.
Last month, Chief Blair addressed the issue of mental health and posted it on the force’s internal network — stating the time had come to adapt to the “changing needs of the organization, with an enduring commitment to health and wellness.”
Suicide among police officers is not rare and, although not all can be directly attributed to PTSD, many are.
According to a recent article by retired Toronto cop Colin Davies, posted on the police retirees’ website, there were 22 recorded Toronto Police suicides between 1975 and 2006 and then, in 2007, there were four — two officers, one civilian employee, and one auxiliary officers.
This does not mean, of course, that all — or any — deserve to have their names on the police honour roll.
But none can arguably compete with the special circumstances that added up to Eddie Adamson’s death.
Two weeks ago, at a police service east of Toronto, a 29-year-old officer, a father of two young children, took his own life in the gun-storage room of his detachment.
His story, of course, did not make the news.
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Bruce et al,
I can only hope that this new interest recognizing in the stress suffered by our polizei spills over into the world of corrections. I cannot speak for any province other than Ontario, but more help was offered on decompression leave in Cyprus than to any CO in Ontario that I am aware of........... even ( and especially) those who have been through traumatic incidents......
SB
I can only hope that this new interest recognizing in the stress suffered by our polizei spills over into the world of corrections. I cannot speak for any province other than Ontario, but more help was offered on decompression leave in Cyprus than to any CO in Ontario that I am aware of........... even ( and especially) those who have been through traumatic incidents......
SB
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