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Thought I would throw out the subject to get a feel for what the feeling is on Canada‘s involvement in the Balkans and abroad in general. My feeling is Canada in the past has played a lead role in keeping the peace in the past. I think Canadian involvment in U-N/NATO operations should be maintained, but I think our elected friends in Ottawa have to hold back the reigns just a tad....Here is my explanation..As we all know the forces as a whole is spread pretty thin now and we all know that our equipment is old an obsolete. I think that if we are to maintain our high standard of Peacekeeping the feds have to pick our fight, or give us some new kit...................Well the question is out there, let‘s here what you think.
 
Why consider reducing what are obviously important deployments when the problem can be addressed just as effectively by increasing the capabilities of the Canadian Army?

Let the flood gates open...
 
Judging by the quality of of grammar and spelling on this board, I would suggest our federal money is better spent on education...it is obviously sorely needed.

Clothe the Soldier? How about teaching them to spell, first?
 
Not sure if it was your intent to cast aspersions as to the spelling prowess of whomever selected "Clothe the Soldier" as a monicker, however ...

The Concise Oxford cites the verb "clothe" as: v. tr. 1. put clothes on; provide with clothes. 2. cover as with clothes or a cloth ...

(sounds okay to me ... chuckle, wink ... hope your sense of humour endures)

Dileas Gu Brath
 
First off, the Forces are not spread thin as most would think. Kosovo is currently staffed with Primary Reservists as high as 20% on the active strength list over there right now. The new kit is on its way in many different forms. The LAV III, the Gryphon helicopter, the Clothe the Soldier program, and the 42 million cash infusion recently injected to drag the reserves into the new millenium. There‘s a lot going on right now to re-energize and replace deficient kit and equipment. Keep a positive outlook.

-the patriot-

P.S. we just got new submarines and frigates...
 
Jay Regner

First and foremost what gives you the right to shoot your mouth off about soldiers? We may not be the best spellers in the world, that is because, unlike you, we don‘t have to sit on our plump behind and study the dictionary. I think protecting the country is a bit more important than that. Did‘nt anyone tell you that if you don‘t have anything nice to say, don‘t say anything at all?
 
Interesting paradox - peacekeeping and picking our fight. As discussed before peacekeeping as a major role for the Armed Forces is one of our major problems. An army is an instrument of a nations will and must be capable of war fighting. However in Canada the politicians and general public perception of our role is policeman. An old quote is (excuse my french) " fighting for peace is likke f***ing for virginty"

Increasing our capablities makes sense but only if our primary role is defined - and I don‘t mean keeping the peace (which can be a minor sub-role)

However even I understand that if it were not for peacekeeping we would not be upgradinf our eqpt now and we would be in a worse state than we are in now. Isn‘t life grand.

Ubique
 
As we all know the forces as a whole is spread pretty thin


I disagree... I myself, and probably 60 percent of reservists would love to go overseas more often... The military has to start utilizing the reserves as the American's do.
 
Wow a reply to a post almost 4 years ago.......
 
Rounder:
I completely agree with you. I would say the vast majority of my unit would jump at the chance to go overseas, anywhere they can. Those that can't are generally students or persons who do not want to give up their civvy job. But the rest of us would be all over a tour. I know I definately would. Maybe the issue is there isn't the money in the system to keep putting guys through 3 months work up training....but the regs do workup for their tours too so that doesn't really add up.
Why can't they start using CRICs in afghanistan? Or use reg force battalions as a sort of QRF that can go somewhat rapidly, IE Haiti, and then allow a predominantly reserve force to inherit the op after the initial deployment, allowing for less strain on the reg force system? I'm sure there are reasons, but off the top of my head I can't think of any.
I've heard about guys who have hardly seen home in the past 2 yrs because its so busy, but then there are tonnes of guys just sitting around wishing they could go. Seems illogical.
 
Rounder said:
I disagree... I myself, and probably 60 percent of reservists would love to go overseas more often... The military has to start utilizing the reserves as the American's do.

Well, let's talk about that. US Reservists here in Afghanistan represent an amazingly large percentage of the Coalition force, particularly in CSS, Cbt Sp such as MP and Engrs, as well as the USAF presence. However, they are NOT all (or even mostly...) here as volunteers looking for a challenging and interesting experience. Most were ordered to go when their units were called up (the reverse of job protection is compulsory Reserve duty when they need you...) and had to leave jobs, families and schools regardless of the impact. A number (and I have spoken to  a couple) thought that they had actually completed their Reserve service and were less than impressed to be called up. The stress on the US Reserve system (especially ARNG and USAR) is intense and shows little sign of slackening. But,the US can do this precisely because if they call up a battalion of ARNG or USAR or whatever, the WHOLE unit is liable to go if required.

We, on the other hand, rely on a completely voluntary Res system, with no compulsory job protection. We cannot force Res soldiers to train during the year, so we can maintain only limited skill levels (although IMHO these are probably superior, skill for skill, to the average USARNG unit). We have no practical means of guaranteeing that (for example) if we put a complete TOE Arty battery into the Res, we could snap our fingers and call it up for overseas duty. We in the Regular Army would love to be able to use more Reservists. I can tell you (ad nauseam.....) that the opportunities for Res soldiers to deploy today are 100% beyond where they were when I was a Res soldier 1974-82.

Now-to your specific comments:

I completely agree with you. I would say the vast majority of my unit would jump at the chance to go overseas, anywhere they can. Those that can't are generally students or persons who do not want to give up their civvy job. But the rest of us would be all over a tour

Great. When the spots are there, you can be pretty sure the Army will come looking. Watch the CFTPO screen at your unit!

Maybe the issue is there isn't the money in the system to keep putting guys through 3 months work up training....but the regs do workup for their tours too so that doesn't really add up.

No-not really. The issue is that right now we have only two "major" Army missions outside the country. Bosnia is now almost 100% Res (dglad are you out there...come in dglad.). Here in ATHENA we have a number of Res soldiers, incl (I'm proud to say) a formed pl from the CBG I belong to. If there were more positions that we could give to Res, we would, but some skill sets such as Coyote,etc are just not in the Army Res.


Why can't they start using CRICs in afghanistan?

Because up until now the feeling has been that the force protection threat here required the higher levels of training found in most RegF rifle coys. The situation in Bosnia permitted CRICS and they did a fine job. I can see the situation here developing the same way if all goes wel. At any event IMHO we could use qualified Res in almost any individual job here. ETT comes to mind: the US ETTs are almost all USARNG.

Or use reg force battalions as a sort of QRF that can go somewhat rapidly, IE Haiti, and then allow a predominantly reserve force to inherit the op after the initial deployment, allowing for less strain on the reg force system?

Sort of like we've done in Bosnia? If the situation permits, and the qualified troops are available, why not?

I've heard about guys who have hardly seen home in the past 2 yrs because its so busy, but then there are tonnes of guys just sitting around wishing they could go. Seems illogical.

The complaints about being deployed don't generally come from the younger Regular Cbt A soldiers: this is what they joined the Regular Army for. It tends to get worse as they get older and get familiies and have a few more ops under the belt. Unfortunately (at least at the present time, anyway...) our Army Res is not fully capable of replacing these particular individuals.

I am very confident that once we get back into larger ops (or more ops...) in the not too distant future, the demand for Res soldiers will go up. In the meantime, keep parading and training, keep fit, and be patient. I served eight years as a Res without any tour at all. Good luck to you!! Cheers.
 
If there were more positions that we could give to Res, we would, but some skill sets such as Coyote,etc are just not in the Army Res.



Excellent response, but this quote frustrates me, because it is so true.
 
OP Bonze, is taking volunteers(so i was told) it is the othere OP in Bosnia. A couple people in my unit said that our ops WO said they need peopel for it and are taking volunteers.
 
foerestedwarrior said:
OP Bonze, is taking volunteers(so i was told) it is the othere OP in Bosnia. A couple people in my unit said that our ops WO said they need peopel for it and are taking volunteers.

ForestedWarrior: If you PM Army.ca member dglad (the present commander of OP BRONZE) he might be willing to advise you. He is a Res (from 38 CBG) as is his RSM (also from 38 CBG). Cheers.
 
pbi said:
ForestedWarrior: If you PM Army.ca member dglad (the present commander of OP BRONZE) he might be willing to advise you. He is a Res (from 38 CBG) as is his RSM (also from 38 CBG). Cheers.

Cool, thanks alot, my current class B is to good to give up, but i know alot of guys that would be interested in it.
 
pbi:


Sir, I think this is probably a question that many young reservists will have, hence the resurrection of the 4 year old topic. Perhaps your response could be made into a sticky or faq?
 
Britney Spears said:
pbi:


Sir, I think this is probably a question that many young reservists will have, hence the resurrection of the 4 year old topic. Perhaps your response could be made into a sticky or faq?

Yes, of course, subject to whatever the normal SOPs are for that. I do not think, however, that we should make dglad the workhorse for all these requests-he has a mission to run. Folks should go through their CofC. Cheers.
 
pbi said:
Yes, of course, subject to whatever the normal SOPs are for that. I do not think, however, that we should make dglad the workhorse for all these requests-he has a mission to run. Folks should go through their CofC. Cheers.

I think he means your post on the other page, about getting on tours, why they do what they do, ect.
 
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foerestedwarrior said:
I think he means your post on the other page, about getting on tours, why they do what they do, ect.

Oh--yes...well..right then. Cheers.
 
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