Our New Governor General

[Gunnar]

She fills all the demographics that hold me back from being a sucess. I should be able to sit here on my haunches and have everything handed to me.
Damn immigrants where do they get off...running my country....ruining my country more like it...this wouldn't have happened in my great grandfathers day.

The point isn't that she fills all of the demographics...the point is that is why she was (likely) chosen.  I'm admittedly old-fashioned...I think that the person one appoints to the highest office in the land should have a resume which reflects the position.  Being black, female or a CBC journalist aren't job qualifications as far as I can tell.  Being intelligent, insightful and multi-lingual could be, but given our government's track record, (and given that I don't know a lot about this journalist), I am not wholly certain that legitimate qualifications were considered.

If Joe Qualified Immigrant is made a person of high authority, great.  If Joe Unqualified Immigrant is made a person of high authority, I have a problem.  We don't know which one she is yet, but history has taught us to be suspicious of Liberals and the CBC.

As far as being "pure Canadian" that has less to do with race than attitude....but it is statistically likely that someone who was born and raised in this country would be more "in tune" with the culture, and therefore more likely to represent Canada as Canadians (and not simpering politically correct politicians) would desire.  Should her ancestry be a bar to her success?  Absolutely not.  We're simply making the assumption that the slimeballs in Ottawa are foisting another political hack on us, who will be completely out of tune with Canadians and Canadian values.  Most of us are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now...Still, one thing about cynics is that they're never disappointed... ;D

I think we've had more white English male GGs than Black French Female ones.


and your evidence for this is?

Umm...statistics?  History?  Population density figures?  Look around man!

 

[Britney Spears]

Umm...statistics?  History?  Population density figures?  Look around man!

Sorry champ, I'm afraid I don't see  it. Care to cite me some statistics and peer reviewed history that prove Ms. Jean was A) selected on the basis of race or gender, or B) unqualified for the job?

 

[RCA]

My, we have a lot of bitter and twisted people out there. Yet again, another Liberal/CBC/anti-West/Quebec conspiracy. As we are all fond of saying, wheres the proof. As in everything else, like getting a new CO/RSM, it is always wait and see. Past performance gives some indication, but that there are always suprises.

  As of now, the postion is appointed and symbolic. Thats not going to change in the near future. Is going to effect us in the CF because she was appointed. No. Is it going to effect the way the country is run. No. As for the immigrant card, she fits the qualifications obviously so get over it. As for 2 women in a row, nothing was said for having 10-12 men in a row. What does gender, or race for that matter have to do with the postion. Nothing that I can see.

 

[mover1]

Sorry to those of you who did not see my satire in my previous post on why the new GG was chosen.
Here is a lady who has the power to take Airbus 001 from the PM and the royal family. (Excluding the queen)

Here is her website. Browse in there and read what her duties are.
http://www.gg.ca/menu_e.asp

 

[Gunnar]

Sorry champ, I'm afraid I don't see  it. Care to cite me some statistics and peer reviewed history that prove Ms. Jean was A) selected on the basis of race or gender, or B) unqualified for the job?

I see what you're saying, but that isn't what you said...the full quote said we've had more white male GG's than black female ones...I didn't really see the need to get backup statistics to prove THAT. 

And I also haven't said that it *why* she was chosen.  I have said it is likely why she was chosen...I try to stay out of the Liberal head as much as possible...

As far as her qualifications, I'll wait and see. 

We don't know which one she is yet, but history has taught us to be suspicious of Liberals and the CBC.

 

[mover1]

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/GGtoons.php

 

[2 Cdo]

For those who missed the sarcasm in my last post, give your head a shake! I personally could not give a rats *ss about her gender, colour, linguistic ability. What I do find slightly suspicious is that it is 2 in a row from the vaunted halls of unbiased journalism, the CBC! Is there absolutely no other company, corporation, or employment worthy of getting appointed to the role of GG.
Sorry folks, but I am inherently suspicious of anything that comes out of Paul Martins mouth. He, the proud Canadian, while raising my taxes, conveniently flying foreign flags on his company's ships! He is a hypocrite and a disgrace as PM ( but thats another story ).
Will she be a good GG, time will tell, and until she proves it and doesn't just toe the liberal party line, like some suspect she might, I will withhold any further comments on her.
By the way at least she is hot looking! ;D

 

[larry Strong]

For those who missed the sarcasm in my last post, give your head a shake! I personally could not give a rats *ss about her gender, colour, linguistic ability. What I do find slightly suspicious is that it is 2 in a row from the vaunted halls of unbiased journalism, the CBC! Is there absolutely no other company, corporation, or employment worthy of getting appointed to the role of GG.
Sorry folks, but I am inherently suspicious of anything that comes out of Paul Martins mouth. He, the proud Canadian, while raising my taxes, conveniently flying foreign flags on his company's ships! He is a hypocrite and a disgrace as PM ( but thats another story ).
Will she be a good GG, time will tell, and until she proves it and doesn't just toe the liberal party line, like some suspect she might, I will withhold any further comments on her.
By the way at least she is hot looking! ;D

That pretty well sums it up.

 

[2 Cdo]

Thanks Larry! I'll be dispencing further tidbits of info and life affirming messages in the future. Stay tuned! ;D

 

[Slim]

For those who missed the sarcasm in my last post, give your head a shake! I personally could not give a rats *ss about her gender, colour, linguistic ability. What I do find slightly suspicious is that it is 2 in a row from the vaunted halls of unbiased journalism, the CBC! Is there absolutely no other company, corporation, or employment worthy of getting appointed to the role of GG.
Sorry folks, but I am inherently suspicious of anything that comes out of Paul Martins mouth. He, the proud Canadian, while raising my taxes, conveniently flying foreign flags on his company's ships! He is a hypocrite and a disgrace as PM ( but thats another story ).
Will she be a good GG, time will tell, and until she proves it and doesn't just toe the liberal party line, like some suspect she might, I will withhold any further comments on her.
By the way at least she is hot looking! ;D

I also agree completely with everything said here! (not sarcasm!)

The CBC...Grrrr :rage:

 

[Infanteer]

The whole race/immigrant/sex card is stupid, and I wish people would quit bringing it up; to me it's irrelevant.

I've made it quite clear that I'm not thrilled with Canadian Idols getting the job and that the job (which is an important one) is left to Canadians to decide.  Call me a Republican.

Infanteer

 

[ReadyAyeReady]

My defense.

Well let's look at it from the other angle.  If I'm getting razzed for saying that she was selected based not on her qualifications but on the demographic she represents, on her gender/race/immigrant status etc etc and if I'm wrong then someone, please do tell me what qualifications does she honestly possess that make her a shoe-in for the position, I really want to know.  What makes her the best choice?  Do you have any evidence for this, and don't give me some lame-o answer about how "we'll see how she does and only time will tell."  That's a cop-out in my opinion.  Again, show me evidence that suggest she was the most qualified person for the position.

The evidence is right there why she was chosen and like I said before people are too afraid to admit it in today's PC society.  Just for saying what I did I got lambasted and got branded a racist and a lazy middle class white guy who expects everything to come to him.  Well at least I know thats a load of garbage.  And at least I have the guts to say what others are afraid too.  Its freakin obvious why she was chosen people.  Some canadians need to give their heads a shake.

I have no problem with the fact that she is a woman, and she is a minority, and everyone's entitled to their own political views.  But I'm pissed that she was chosen for those reasons as opposed to merit, because there are alot of people out there who would have a done a way better job and were way more qualified then her.  Heck, I have never even heard of this person until now, and most BCers haven't either...what does that say?  Most people west of Ontario probably don't even know this person.  At least I'd heard of Adrienne Clarkson before.  Some journalist from Quebec who's made a few documentaries is not a shoe-in for an important symbolic position like that.  It should be someone who is recognized Canada wide and someone who has the experience and qualifications to fill a position like that.

Any of the other names mentioned on this board are evidence that she was the wrong choice.

 

[Britney Spears]

The evidence is right there why she was chosen and like I said before people are too afraid to admit it in today's PC society.  Just for saying what I did I got lambasted and got branded a racist and a lazy middle class white guy who expects everything to come to him.  Well at least I know thats a load of garbage.  And at least I have the guts to say what others are afraid too.  Its freakin obvious why she was chosen people.  Some canadians need to give their heads a shake.

I have no problem with the fact that she is a woman, and she is a minority, and everyone's entitled to their own political views.  But I'm pissed that she was chosen for those reasons as opposed to merit, because there are alot of people out there who would have a done a way better job and were way more qualified then her.  Heck, I have never even heard of this person until now, and most BCers haven't either...what does that say?  Most people west of Ontario probably don't even know this person.  At least I'd heard of Adrienne Clarkson before.  Some journalist from Quebec who's made a few documentaries is not a shoe-in for an important symbolic position like that.  It should be someone who is recognized Canada wide and someone who has the experience and qualifications to fill a position like that.

OOHH, look at you, fighting so bravely against "today's PC society", you're just a regular Emi-freaking-nem aren't you?  :

If you have NO(no, you don't, if you think any of the garbage you posted above constitudes evidence, don't bother responding) evidence for your assertion, how about you stop making it? Or qualify it with "I am spinning the following out of whole cloth, and then pulling it completely out of my ***, but here's what I think...."

 

[Gunner98]

We will see - Africa - 100 or so CF pers, Afghanistan - peak approx. 2000 CF pers - 5 Rotos so far.  
Sri Lanka - DART.

Haiti - 2 or 3 past visits plus provision of Police Trg - anyone hazard a guess on ETD of next Haiti mission?

 

[Kirkhill]

OK Infanteer, you're a Republican, you nasty boy you.

There now.  Feel Better?

A subject of the Crown I was born.  A subject of the Crown I will die......or words to that effect

 

[Brad Sallows]

If the appointment has simply become a poster child for multicultural inclusionism, it's time to get rid of the anachronism and replace it with a directly elected head of state.

 

[FastEddy]

Sorry champ, I'm afraid I don't see   it. Care to cite me some statistics and peer reviewed history that prove Ms. Jean was A) selected on the basis of race or gender, or B) unqualified for the job?

Since you seem to doubt the suggested reasons\qualifications put forward in qualifying her or nominating her for GG.

I feel you must be in possession of certain other information thus substantiating your position.

Then as you suggest, please impart that information as to quell all of those loose canons who suggest otherwise.

 

[Britney Spears]

Since you seem to doubt the suggested reasons\qualifications put forward in qualifying her or nominating her for GG.

I feel you must be in possession of certain other information thus substantiating your position.

I don't have a clue what you're talking about. What do you think my "position" is?

 

[Britney Spears]

OK, obviously some of our readers are not keeping pace with my arguments here. I feel compelled to give a "cliff notes" version of my position, to save you the confusion.

I have not suggested that Ms. Jean is neccesarily the BEST candidate for GG, in fact, I have offered my own opinion of the best candidate (David Suzuki) and so have many other reasonable posters. We all understand that our choices are  subjective, and one can argue the merits and pitfalls of any candidate indefinitely, especially since there isn't really any quantitative way of measuring and exstimating a GG's performance, given the GG's rather nebulous role. To be honest, like many others, I am in Western Canada and have never heard of Ms. Jean until now.  A cursory examination of her past seems to indicate that, while perhaps not an "A" list celebrity, Ms. Jean is more than qualified for the position. 

However, If you are suggesting that Ms. Jean's nomination was based on race, gender, nation of origin, or the fact that she is a Francophone, then please provide evidence of this. Discrimination on the basis of race or gender is a serious allegation, so back it up, or qualify your statements as nothing more than groundless slander. 

 

[Acorn]

What people seem to be missing here is the political ramifications of her selection. The fact is that her Francophone and immigrant status is an important factor in her selection. Not because of some wet multi-cultural ideal, but because of the voting demographics in Quebec. The Liberals are getting a$$-raped in Quebec over Adscam. Martin is trying to salvage an important Montreal seat or two (key immigrant demographics) to avoid a Bloc shutout of the liberals in the election that should be forthcoming this winter. It's classic Liberal politics (just ask MacLeod).

Ms. Jean may or may not prove to be a good GG. We'll see. That being said, I'd remind you all that much the same noise was generated over AC when she was appointed, and most of us think she turned out OK (despite the cost).

Acorn