Pics:Australian issued ELCANs in the Unit's Workshop: Your opinion on the mount

[1feral1]

Well, we are getting things up and running for the Bisley Skill at Arms Meeting in the UK, and I have been frantically modifiying some of our ELCANs, known here as the Watt's Wildcat EOS (Enhanced Optical Sight).

These are all Gen1 mounts (sights are made in 1997), and we are told that the CF is up to a Gen 4 mount. We are making do with what we have, and after a few basic mods of drilling a hole and a few other tricks, we have a basic stable system, able to hopfully kick some serious arse in the UK at CENTSAM in June.

Also on the Aussie contracted mounts you'll notice that the retention wingnuts are located on the opposite side, as the standard C7 type interfere with cocking the F88 Austeyr, as the CH is on the left hand side of the rifle.

Here is a few pics from my workbench taken today.

The 'M' on the underside indicates the 'mod' has been done. I have about 20 to do, all by Monday.

Is the CF sending a CST to Bisley this year?


Cheers,

Wes

PS- Note the Army.ca sticker on the upper left hand corner of the tool box  8)

 

[1feral1]

One last pic  ;D

Cheers,

Wes

 

[MG34]

Too bad crap is crap no matter what you call it or what rifle you mount it on.

 

[NavyShooter]

Good to hear that the Aus is sending a team this year, good for you!!!

Not sure if there will be a CF Team, I do not believe that there will be a Navy member present this year, (postings, etc)

Not sure what tricks y'all are using on your scopes, but it sounds as though you've been pretty busy.

You guys going to be shooting open gate or closed gate with the Elcans? 

NS

 

[KevinB]

Too bad crap is crap no matter what you call it or what rifle you mount it on.

Roger that.




Wes toss them and get ACOG's 

 

[Navalsnpr]

The CF is not sending a team this year 

Additionally, the guy who was to go and represent the Navy is posted and the alternate (me) is unable to go due to other commitments.

Next year sounds promising though.

 

[1feral1]

Thanks Mate. Have you heard if anyone is coming to AASAM. Its been since 2002 since a CF team has come out.

Cheers,

WEs

 

[pappy]

Ditto on the ACOGs, you won't find a better combat low-power scope then the ACOG in my opinion.  I've owned 3 (now down to 2) and used them for over almost 15 years,  my first was the standard TA01, used it till the tritium finialy gave out last year.  Picked up a new TA31F to replace it and ended up selling off the old one for more then I paid new, and the new owner knew he was gonna have to pony up 250 USD to replace the tritium lamps.  Everyone was happy all the way around.

 

[KevinB]

You know I used to think the ACOG was the be all and end all.  Then they made me drive around downtown Kabul...

I think you need a mix - EOTECH and ACOG -- or if you've got big pockets the S&B 1.1-4x Short Dot - The NF 1-4 is nice but the reticle is not bright enough.

 

[Britney Spears]

or if you've got big pockets the S&B 1.1-4x Short Dot

How much MORE could those cost than the Elcans? Even if they cost 2x as much, the cost of repairing and refitting C79s every other day would still make it more economical. 

If they issued those en mass our infantry would be the envy of the whole world, morale would go through the roof, not that anyone really cares about my morale....

What next? Webbing that works?

 

[KevinB]

IIRC US Retail is $2700 for the S&B...

I'm running one on a course next week - I'll tell you what I think 

 

[paracowboy]

Too bad crap is crap no matter what you call it or what rifle you mount it on.

preach it, brother!

 

[pappy]

well hard to compare an ACOG with a EOTech, different tools  / apples and pears... kinda thing in my opionin. But yeah I got an EOTech too... and a laser, and...

when your pockets are full thats where the butt-pack comes into play....  ;D

Elcan and ACOG are sort of the same family of low powered optics, EOTech fit into the dot sight group.  and lets not forget to have some BUIS as stuff breaks, batteries fail...
The reason I like the ACOG is no batteries.... no Electronics....  I like the EOTechs... but just some nessitation as to thier duribility in the long run.

But Optics and handguns are like women, oh crap I'm gonna step into it this time, Everyone has different ideas of what feels good in thier hands and looks good to thier eye.

 

[Britney Spears]

Since this is turning into a more general Rifle scope thread, I thought I'd throw this out here and invite knowledgable commentary.

New from ELCAN

- Switches instantly from close combat (1x) to telescopic (4x)
- Eye relief (cheekweld) and bore sighting remain constant
- Large, low light exit pupil remains constant
- High efficiency coatings for extended low light performance
- Integrated lever-lock mount for optimum weigh reduction
- Rugged, Reliable Performance
- Shock Protected Precision Optics
- Integrated back-up iron sights are bore sighted to scope

Question about this "switch instantly" business: I always assumed that variable powered rifle sights worked the same way as camera zoom lens, that is the objective lens move back and forth. This is still the case yes?

Obviously I am a neophyte when it comes to these things. As long as they issue me a C79 that works they're batting above avg....

 

[beltfeedPaul]

I never had any problems with my folding rear disc sight of the aperture type, never needed batteries, didnt lose its zero after being bashed around the back of a carrier for 6 weeks, didnt fog up, or crack, or fall off.

 

[KevinB]

Brit - that is the ELCAN submission to ECOS - Enhanced Combat Optical Sight.  I understand the shutter from 1/4 is just flippign th mag lens into the equation so it is either 1 or 4 - no inbetween - alledgedly this is more rugged.

 

[Britney Spears]

Hmm, that's some funky engineering then. Presumably the different lenses would be on an internal  pivot or something that rotated into place?. I assume that's what the big lever in between the scope and the mount is for?

If this is the case, then that's a pretty  neat idea, because I can't see how you could do the same thing with an internally adjusted sight. So maybe the external range adjustment isn't obsolete after all?

 

[KevinB]

Well the problem I hear is their is some distortion and zero change when the power is changed.

Funny the guys that drove this project have bought S&B Short Dot's and Trijicon TA31 and Trijicons Accupoints in droves...

I hear Trijicon has a variable (first focal plane) 1-4 TA31 style coming out...

 

[Britney Spears]

I'd love to see some cutaway schematics of all these items, to understand how they work....

 

[Navalsnpr]

Thanks Mate. Have you heard if anyone is coming to AASAM. Its been since 2002 since a CF team has come out.

Cheers,

WEs

Wes,

Don't anticipate that there will be a team to AASAM or CENTSAM until 2007