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Pipelines, energy and natural resources

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Changing perspectives...


Ten years ago, members of the Tahltan nation in northern British Columbia were blockading roads to prevent the opening of the Red Chris copper mine, concerned about its potential environmental impacts. Today, hundreds of Tahltan work at the mine, their communities reap millions of dollars in grants and royalties from it, their corporate arm does big business with it, and their government has a powerful voice in its future.

For the Tahltan, it seems like a success story, a case study in asserting Indigenous rights and winning concrete benefits from extractive industries operating on their traditional lands.


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But as the rush for critical metals turbocharges demand for copper, that same mine, and several others proposed for Tahltan territory, might pose serious risks for other Indigenous groups across the border in Alaska.

It’s an example of how, even in places where Indigenous peoples have won a degree of power, the costs and the rewards of the critical metals rush still aren’t being spread around equally.
 
Tell us you didn’t read my previous replies without telling us you didn’t read my previous replies.
Where did you say they need to reverse those laws, I missed it. You have talked a bunch about there being no proposals on the table and oh yes one pipeline would be good but I failed to see where you mentioned the red lines that Trudeau drew that Carney hasn't rubbed out yet. If you did, and I missed it, I apologize but so far I see hugs and kisses for Carney and no holding him to account
 
It’s an example of how, even in places where Indigenous peoples have won a degree of power, the costs and the rewards of the critical metals rush still aren’t being spread around equally.
US groups are probably SOL, but for everyone in Canada there's a solution. All the royalties and rents and whatnot go into the federal pot instead of to whomever happened to luck out by being in a right-place-at-right-time, and the federal government distributes to communities on the basis of need: for clean water, waste management, education, housing, etc.
 
Pleasant surprise out of Vancouver.


Vancouver building a waste incinerator downtown and using the heat in the local district. I have bee n a big fan of the concept since I saw it in operation in Sweden and Denmark 50 years ago.

"But some in the industry would like more tangible support from Ottawa. As Gerard MacDonald put it, “If you want to hit climate targets, and you don't have a carbon tax, there has to be something that makes up for this shortfall between gas that's cheap and decarb solutions that are expensive,” he says. “Funding is one way to do that.” "

Even that statement is encouraging. Most green solutions have been sold on the basis of magical savings. This states clearly that there is no magic. There is a need for money.

I prefer this kind of solution. It is a worthwhile project. The amount and value of the investment can be clearly measured.
 
And I am ashamed to say I am only learning about this now.


The incinerator has been around since 1988.
It is the district heating system that is noteworthy and even it is an expansion of a system that has been in place since the 2010 Olympics.

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And the Lakeview power plant scandal need never have happened.

Oakville and Mississauga could have had district heating and cut down on the number of pylons necessary.

 
Survey says: keep them critical resource developments as Canadian as possible ....
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Even those favouring a more open-door approach had their own red lines.
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Also archived here.

Survey details: "The Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey from Oct. 25-27, 2025, among a randomized sample of 1,607 Canadian adults who are members of Angus Reid Forum. The sample was weighted to be representative of adults nationwide according to region, gender, age, household income, and education, based on the Canadian census. For comparison purposes only, a probability sample of this size would carry a margin of error of +/- 1.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. Discrepancies in or between totals are due to rounding. The survey was self-commissioned and paid for by ARI."
 

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CBC Frontburner had a podcast this morning:


Here is the letter I sent to the host and producer

Jayme Poisson

Your latest podcast https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/hatchet-buried-the-politics-of-an-alberta-energy-deal-9.6992238 had me fuming in frustration as I listened to three people discuss what conditions are like on the west coast of North America with what appears to be the knowledge of a baby playing in the bathtub. For the love of god there are actual mariners, people who make their living sailing those waters who could give you truthful accurate information on what the conditions are like, navigation hazards in the region, routes that container, bulk, and liquid cargo ships use to enter and depart Prince Rupert and Kitimat.

Instead of doing some leg work, all I hear are tall tales and outright lies from supporters and detractors of the tanker ban.

Here are a few references to help you get the correct information
Kitimat LNG Canada | Unlocking Canada’s LNG Opportunity
Prince Rupert British Columbia Coast Pilots Ltd. – Leaders in the marine community and piloting profession
West Coast Pilots Prince Rupert Port Authority | Gateway to Trade and Growth

I beg of you, please get in touch with the expert mariner community that work very hard every day to ensure cargo and people are safely transported along the West Coast of Canada. I support the CBC, but there are days that the Mother Corp make it very difficult for me to maintain that support.
 
This should be good... keep the popcorn handy ;)

"What looks to be shaping up is a replay of the Trans Mountain pipeline argument, which consumed years and millions of dollars and which B.C. lost, mostly on the grounds that pipelines are a national responsibility."

Les Leyne: Team Canada fracturing over pipeline​

What looks to be shaping up is a replay of the Trans Mountain pipeline argument, which B.C. lost.


Premier David Eby, one-time loyal cheerleader for “Team Canada,” will find out Thursday if he’s been benched.

The wraps will come off that day on whatever Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith have cooked up in the way of a new oil pipeline from Alberta to the north coast.

But Eby’s frustration about being left out of talks on a memorandum of understanding that only came to light last week is so acute by this point that he couldn’t wait. So he jumped the gun this week and launched an extended denunciation of whatever they are announcing well ahead of it actually being announced.

He talked directly to Carney on Monday, following news that Alberta and Ottawa have reportedly reached an agreement about the contentious pipeline idea. Carney played him along, saying that an agreement “is not finalized yet.” The prime minister tried to lower the temperature Tuesday, saying B.C. and First Nations support is essential.

Just the idea that Carney and Smith have been talking about a pipeline was enough to set Eby off.

What looks to be shaping up is a replay of the Trans Mountain pipeline argument, which consumed years and millions of dollars and which B.C. lost, mostly on the grounds that pipelines are a national responsibility.

Eby as attorney general led much of B.C.’s legal challenge to that line and none of them changed the outcome. The project finished last year, the oil is flowing to the Port of Vancouver, the tankers are sailing and billions of dollars are being made.

Recounting the conversation to reporters, Eby said he broadened the scope of B.C.’s opposition to the idea. He has camped for months on the fact there is no proposal at this point, and no proponent — it’s just an idea in Smith’s mind.

So if anything materializes, it would need taxpayer funding, by his thinking. Which prompted a new hypothetical grievance: “I do not believe that Alberta should have access to a $50 billion taxpayer-funded pipeline unless other provinces have access to similar amounts of taxpayer funding.”

It’s a clear illustration that Team Canada is fracturing, because the argument is based on the premise that only Alberta would benefit from the pipeline, not Canada.

In the early days of the U.S. assault on Canadian trade and sovereignty, Eby had a different line. In March, when the mood was “we’re all in this together,” he said: “We’re absolutely going to support other premiers. But we’re going to do it in a coordinated way with other premiers and the federal government.”

Those days are gone, because the “coordination” looks to have vanished.


 
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