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can we bypass the tanker ban area and come out further north?
Pipelines, energy and natural resources
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MilEME09
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chatGBT is useless for this but considering all the dedging etc that has occured over the last 50 years, plus water levels rising an average of 2-3mm a year since 1970. I would be interested to compare water depth and the challenges of navigating the area now compared to when the tanker moratorium was put in in the 70s
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Canada says that the ban extends all the way up to the border with the US.
Fly in the ointment.
The US and Canada disagree on the location of the border.
My reiver ancestors would perceive an opportunity there. When pursued by Canadians in disputed waters - Americans pro tem. When pursued by Americans in disputed waters - Canadian pro tem.
The locals add another wrinkle - in the absence of treaties then natives from land claimed by Canada can declare none of the above.
Check out the map about halfway down the article.
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Eagle Spirit came up with a pair of routes.
Lax Kw'alaams through the disputed waters to the Ocean
Down the Portland Canal from Stewart, BC - Hyder, AK and then to the Ocean via disputed waters.
The Haida, having secured their land to the low water mark are still trying to claim the Dixon waters as theirs.
You couldn't tie up a tanker in Stewart or Hyder due to shallow water.
But, it seems to me, you could run a pipeline out to a buoy floating in deep water and create an offshore transfer station to fill tankers.
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whoops...
Federal Energy Minister Tim Hodgson says he has apologized to Coastal First Nations for what he says were a “poor choice of words” regarding a meeting he offered to have with the group on Friday.
Hodgson said he would meet with the alliance of nine First Nations, who are opposed to a bitumen pipeline to the northern B.C. coast, in the wake of Ottawa and Alberta signing an agreement which is meant to pave a path forward for such a project.
The minister brushed off concerns raised about the group’s president, Marilyn Slett, who said the timing and location of the proposed meeting meant she wouldn’t be able to attend in person.
“It’s called Zoom,” Hodgson said when asked about Slett’s concerns during a Thursday interview with CBC’s Power & Politics.
Minister apologizes for 'poor choice of words' about meeting with B.C. First Nations group
Hodgson brushed off concerns that some couldn't attend in person: 'It's called Zoom'
Federal Energy Minister Tim Hodgson says he has apologized to Coastal First Nations for what he says were a “poor choice of words” regarding a meeting he offered to have with the group on Friday.
Hodgson said he would meet with the alliance of nine First Nations, who are opposed to a bitumen pipeline to the northern B.C. coast, in the wake of Ottawa and Alberta signing an agreement which is meant to pave a path forward for such a project.
The minister brushed off concerns raised about the group’s president, Marilyn Slett, who said the timing and location of the proposed meeting meant she wouldn’t be able to attend in person.
“It’s called Zoom,” Hodgson said when asked about Slett’s concerns during a Thursday interview with CBC’s Power & Politics.
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I guess I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer on this, but what’s the problem/issue?
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His response was a tad snippy, but also there doesn't seem to be any information provided as to why the time and location wouldn't work for Marilyn Slett.
Like is it an accessibility issue or a prior commitment? Extreme detail isn't really needed but she could have at least provided some reason, and thus comes off looking very unserious towards the whole thing.
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Lets see Marilyn Slett's bank account. She has held Councillor positions since 2008.
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Or any of these anti pipeline crusaders, realistically these court challenges aren't cheap
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I really think that the lawyers are paid for by the taxpayer in some way or other, just like the Billions that flow to the FN's of Canada. Possibly contributed by some off shore environment organizations.
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Yup.
About the CCP - PCJ CCP
An overview of the current mandate, objectives and funding structure of the Court Challenges Program.
pcj-ccp.ca
Opportunity for the Government to oppose current law and its own bills when politically expedient.
Harper eliminated the program but couldn't clear the docket before Trudeau was elected and refunded it.
It can be seen as a means for government to do an end run around parliament and public opinion.
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One step to the rear....Hydrogen deemed not ready for prime time.
cleantechnica.com
Alstom’s Hydrogen Retreat Marks A Turning Point For European Rail - CleanTechnica
The future of hydrogen rail dims as Alstom suspends development, reinforcing a broader shift toward electric rail technologies across Europe.
cleantechnica.com
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Green transition targets are not realistic – how to decarbonise at the right pace
Decarbonisation is not just about changing fuels. It involves a change in our pace of living and adjusting expectations.
theconversation.com
Something else for which we can blame fossil fuels. They have made everything too convenient, We have become too used to instant accommodation. When we want to do something we do it.
We have to get used to operating at the pace of the Earth. I gather that means geological time.
On the plus side this article also seems to be counselling greenies that change from fossil fuels might take a minute.
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Green transition targets are not realistic – how to decarbonise at the right pace
Decarbonisation is not just about changing fuels. It involves a change in our pace of living and adjusting expectations.
Something else for which we can blame fossil fuels. They have made everything too convenient, We have become too used to instant accommodation. When we want to do something we do it.
We have to get used to operating at the pace of the Earth. I gather that means geological time.
On the plus side this article also seems to be counselling greenies that change from fossil fuels might take a minute.
Billy Bob Thorton gives the best, most concise explanation about oil I've ever heard.
From the series Landman
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"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
- Macbeth
Premier David Eby has recited his objections to a new pipeline to the north coast so often in the past year, they flow now like oil from a … you know what.
He was at it again hours after Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith signed the memo of understanding on various energy projects, including the pipeline.
He did an extended half-hour denunciation of the idea with heaping helpings of scorn. “No proponent … no route … no permits … this project does not have the support of coastal First Nations …”
Comparing it to all the other ideas for major new priority projects, he said that it’s “not even in the top 20.”
“It will not employ anybody, because it does not exist.”
His anti-pipeline set piece is so familiar now that anyone following this story can recite it along with him.
But all the rhetoric doesn’t look to have accomplished anything, given that the MOU sets a new pipeline as a priority.
The question now is: What is B.C. going to actually do about it?
“Watch what they do, not just what they say,” as the saying goes.
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
- Macbeth
Les Leyne: Eby's pipeline objections not backed by actions
The only item on his to-do list now is to get Prime Minister Mark Carney to talk to First Nations to understand “what has to happen to get coastal First Nations’ support.”Premier David Eby has recited his objections to a new pipeline to the north coast so often in the past year, they flow now like oil from a … you know what.
He was at it again hours after Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith signed the memo of understanding on various energy projects, including the pipeline.
He did an extended half-hour denunciation of the idea with heaping helpings of scorn. “No proponent … no route … no permits … this project does not have the support of coastal First Nations …”
Comparing it to all the other ideas for major new priority projects, he said that it’s “not even in the top 20.”
“It will not employ anybody, because it does not exist.”
His anti-pipeline set piece is so familiar now that anyone following this story can recite it along with him.
But all the rhetoric doesn’t look to have accomplished anything, given that the MOU sets a new pipeline as a priority.
The question now is: What is B.C. going to actually do about it?
“Watch what they do, not just what they say,” as the saying goes.
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National energy corridors a solution or a multibillion-dollar road to nowhere?
Plans for nation-spanning pipelines and power lines will either unite the country or cause further divisions
calgaryherald.com
I think there is a reason why we don't have lots of powerlines, pipelines and even railways.
Sheer distance.
I prefer distributed power plants, locally supplied and governed.
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I think all Carney did was buy himself some time and to kill as much separatist talk as he can before a spring election. It appears there is enough poison pills in that MOU to choke a horse. I doubt that any pipeline to tide water will be established for, at least, 10 years. Perhaps it's time for the kid gloves to come off and for the government to exercise Eminent Domain.
They won't. Carney needs the poison pills to maintain his pro-green position whilst appearing to want to open Canada up for development. He is from the same cloth as Trudeau just a whole lot brighter
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