Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[Kirkhill]

While we await the millenium ....

It appears that there is a market for that heavy crud from our filthy tar sands.

Apparently half the oil coming out of the Straits of Hormuz is heavy crud and the Asian refiners are gagging for it.

Reliable West Coast shipments of Alberta heavy oil emerge as lifeline for Asian refiners – Hormuz disruption underscores the strategic value of Canada’s stable oil supply | BOE Report

By Deborah Jaremko on March 12, 2026, 10:26 am MDT The Port of Vancouver has emerged as a lifeline for Asian oil refiners amid disruption of the vital shipping route through the Strait of Hormuz, according to ATB Cormark Capital Markets. Tankers calling at the port’s Westridge Marine Terminal...

boereport.com

 

[Kirkhill]

1.89 here

1.57 in Lethbridge, up from 1.19 ten days ago.
But that isn't the highest I have seen in the post-Covid era. We have even had some Vancouverish prices.

 

[HavokFour]

I think there's a pretty good case for a pipe in either (ideally both) directions.

At least two Canadian propane cargoes — including the shipment that changed hands five times while at sea — recently sold to Asian buyers at premiums of US$100 to US$170 per tonne above benchmark prices, according to price-reporting agency Argus.

The unusual trading activity suggests Asian buyers may be scrambling for supply outside of the Middle East, market watchers say.

Canadian propane tanker's cargo resold five times at sea as Asian buyers scramble for fuel

A tanker carrying 600,000 barrels of Canadian propane was resold at least five times while at sea after leaving B.C. last month. Read here

financialpost.com

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think there's a pretty good case for a pipe in either (ideally both) directions.

Canadian propane tanker's cargo resold five times at sea as Asian buyers scramble for fuel

A tanker carrying 600,000 barrels of Canadian propane was resold at least five times while at sea after leaving B.C. last month. Read here

financialpost.com

What?

Don’t you know that there is no business case for Canadian gas to be exported?

 

[MilEME09]

And yet still no companies putting down proposals

Varcoe: 'One-two punch': Report highlights $31B boon for Canada from new oil pipelines — and production to fill them

New study concludes bolstering oil pipeline capacity in Canada could generate a massive bump in investment, increase exports and create jobs

calgaryherald.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

And yet still no companies putting down proposals

Varcoe: 'One-two punch': Report highlights $31B boon for Canada from new oil pipelines — and production to fill them

New study concludes bolstering oil pipeline capacity in Canada could generate a massive bump in investment, increase exports and create jobs

calgaryherald.com

Too bad that pulling teeth is easier than approving oil permits in Canadon't, so companies will go where they get less hassle

TC CEO urges quicker timelines as globe clamours for stable energy supplies​

Canada risks missing out on opportunities to provide global markets with a secure supply of energy if permitting timelines aren’t significantly shortened, said the chief executive of natural gas pipeline operator TC Energy Corp.

There’s been heightened demand for more liquefied natural gas exports off the West Coast of North America -- especially to Asia -- since the U.S. and Israel launched their war on Iran about three weeks ago, Francois Poirier said in an interview.

“The shorter the permitting timelines in Canada, the more competitive Canada can be,” he said.

“I would very much like to see permitting timelines for pipelines to the coast get shorter -- and significantly shorter.”

Poirier points to a recent seven-month permitting process for TC’s Southeast Gateway project in Mexico.

TC CEO urges quicker timelines as globe clamours for stable energy supplies

The CEO of natural gas pipeline operator TC Energy Corp. says Canada risks missing out on opportunities to provide global markets with a secure supply of energy if permitting timelines aren’t significantly shortened.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[MilEME09]

Too bad that pulling teeth is easier than approving oil permits in Canadon't, so companies will go where they get less hassle

TC CEO urges quicker timelines as globe clamours for stable energy supplies​

Canada risks missing out on opportunities to provide global markets with a secure supply of energy if permitting timelines aren’t significantly shortened, said the chief executive of natural gas pipeline operator TC Energy Corp.

There’s been heightened demand for more liquefied natural gas exports off the West Coast of North America -- especially to Asia -- since the U.S. and Israel launched their war on Iran about three weeks ago, Francois Poirier said in an interview.

“The shorter the permitting timelines in Canada, the more competitive Canada can be,” he said.

“I would very much like to see permitting timelines for pipelines to the coast get shorter -- and significantly shorter.”

Poirier points to a recent seven-month permitting process for TC’s Southeast Gateway project in Mexico.

TC CEO urges quicker timelines as globe clamours for stable energy supplies

The CEO of natural gas pipeline operator TC Energy Corp. says Canada risks missing out on opportunities to provide global markets with a secure supply of energy if permitting timelines aren’t significantly shortened.

www.ctvnews.ca

In fairness 10yr to 2yr is a 80% reduction with the MPO. If it happens any way

 

[FSTO]

Why do I feel that Max Fawcett is the real life version of the character selling monorails to Springfield.

Peak Oil! Carney, Cash, and Carbon

Podcast Episode · CANADALAND · March 18 · 32m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[YZT580]

And yet still no companies putting down proposals

Varcoe: 'One-two punch': Report highlights $31B boon for Canada from new oil pipelines — and production to fill them

New study concludes bolstering oil pipeline capacity in Canada could generate a massive bump in investment, increase exports and create jobs

calgaryherald.com

get rid of the carbon tax for a start and cancel the BC and the Indigenous have to approve lines. The large ship moratorium probably doesn't help either

 

[Kirkhill]

Too bad that pulling teeth is easier than approving oil permits in Canadon't, so companies will go where they get less hassle

TC CEO urges quicker timelines as globe clamours for stable energy supplies​

Canada risks missing out on opportunities to provide global markets with a secure supply of energy if permitting timelines aren’t significantly shortened, said the chief executive of natural gas pipeline operator TC Energy Corp.

There’s been heightened demand for more liquefied natural gas exports off the West Coast of North America -- especially to Asia -- since the U.S. and Israel launched their war on Iran about three weeks ago, Francois Poirier said in an interview.

“The shorter the permitting timelines in Canada, the more competitive Canada can be,” he said.

“I would very much like to see permitting timelines for pipelines to the coast get shorter -- and significantly shorter.”

Poirier points to a recent seven-month permitting process for TC’s Southeast Gateway project in Mexico.

TC CEO urges quicker timelines as globe clamours for stable energy supplies

The CEO of natural gas pipeline operator TC Energy Corp. says Canada risks missing out on opportunities to provide global markets with a secure supply of energy if permitting timelines aren’t significantly shortened.

www.ctvnews.ca

Permitting will only be part of it. The other part is driving anything through hostiles.

 

[MilEME09]

get rid of the carbon tax for a start and cancel the BC and the Indigenous have to approve lines. The large ship moratorium probably doesn't help either

No one said FN have to approve, section 35 of the constitution requires consultation with FN, we cant avoid that. The industrial carbon tax also isnt hurting the industry like some claim.

 

[YZT580]

No one said FN have to approve, section 35 of the constitution requires consultation with FN, we cant avoid that. The industrial carbon tax also isnt hurting the industry like some claim.

Maybe the constitution allows it but Carney explicitly said they must be on side. (From Juno news) Prime Minister Mark Carney said a West Coast pipeline proposed by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith hinges on agreement from British Columbia and First Nations, declaring in the House of Commons on Tuesday that any agreement requires their explicit consent. And 3 west coast groups including the Haida have said that pipelines aren't on the table. Now if you were an oil company would you even bother to spend the millions to draft up a proposal?

 

[suffolkowner]

Maybe the constitution allows it but Carney explicitly said they must be on side. (From Juno news) Prime Minister Mark Carney said a West Coast pipeline proposed by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith hinges on agreement from British Columbia and First Nations, declaring in the House of Commons on Tuesday that any agreement requires their explicit consent. And 3 west coast groups including the Haida have said that pipelines aren't on the table. Now if you were an oil company would you even bother to spend the millions to draft up a proposal?

i wouldnt think so. But I wouldnt be lining up just because oil spiked to 85 because of a war.
I still think if a pipeline happens it needs to be publicly owned for it to happen

 

[MilEME09]

Maybe the constitution allows it but Carney explicitly said they must be on side. (From Juno news) Prime Minister Mark Carney said a West Coast pipeline proposed by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith hinges on agreement from British Columbia and First Nations, declaring in the House of Commons on Tuesday that any agreement requires their explicit consent. And 3 west coast groups including the Haida have said that pipelines aren't on the table. Now if you were an oil company would you even bother to spend the millions to draft up a proposal?

Let me ask you this, if you go ahead without their consent what do you think the outcome would be?

On the topic of what was said, Juno, being the good anti liberal network it is, likely twisted his words, a 20 minute search and watching of several videos shows no statement of explicit consent. Lots of “engage,” “consult,” and “work with” Indigenous peoples, but not this mythical Veto.

Reality is the government can do this with or without FN being on side, but they must be consulted. However its a lot easier to get this done if they are on side so it doesnt get delayed in endless court challanges, protests etc

 

[YZT580]

Let me ask you this, if you go ahead without their consent what do you think the outcome would be?

On the topic of what was said, Juno, being the good anti liberal network it is, likely twisted his words, a 20 minute search and watching of several videos shows no statement of explicit consent. Lots of “engage,” “consult,” and “work with” Indigenous peoples, but not this mythical Veto.

Reality is the government can do this with or without FN being on side, but they must be consulted. However its a lot easier to get this done if they are on side so it doesnt get delayed in endless court challanges, protests etc

so his comments regarding a full partnership with the locals as reported by the CBC doesn't imply their agreement being required? Again, whether an imperative or not, having the residents of the proposed rights-of-way already saying no to any pipeline suggests to me that no financial officer is going to approve the investment and it is the dollars that are doing the talking.

 

[MilEME09]

so his comments regarding a full partnership with the locals as reported by the CBC doesn't imply their agreement being required? Again, whether an imperative or not, having the residents of the proposed rights-of-way already saying no to any pipeline suggests to me that no financial officer is going to approve the investment and it is the dollars that are doing the talking.

Partnership isnt consent, again, I can find no mention of mark carney explicitly saying FN consent is required. Regarding pipelines, the BC coast is just one potential pathway, there are others, ones with much less resistance that no one seems to be going for either.

 

[YZT580]

Partnership isnt consent, again, I can find no mention of mark carney explicitly saying FN consent is required. Regarding pipelines, the BC coast is just one potential pathway, there are others, ones with much less resistance that no one seems to be going for either.

you are clutching at straws. Partnership requires a signature. A signature implies agreement. But the other conditions are dealbreakers as well. There is supposed to be an agreement on the carbon capture programme that has also hit the wall. Carney's conditions were designed to fail. imho

 

[lenaitch]

Let me ask you this, if you go ahead without their consent what do you think the outcome would be?

On the topic of what was said, Juno, being the good anti liberal network it is, likely twisted his words, a 20 minute search and watching of several videos shows no statement of explicit consent. Lots of “engage,” “consult,” and “work with” Indigenous peoples, but not this mythical Veto.

Reality is the government can do this with or without FN being on side, but they must be consulted. However its a lot easier to get this done if they are on side so it doesnt get delayed in endless court challanges, protests etc

Well, there is the pesky little piece of federal legislation called the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act, which refers to the UN declaration's position that aboriginal peoples have the right of 'free, prior and informed consent' on all matters affecting their traditional lands.

 

[MilEME09]

you are clutching at straws. Partnership requires a signature. A signature implies agreement. But the other conditions are dealbreakers as well. There is supposed to be an agreement on the carbon capture programme that has also hit the wall. Carney's conditions were designed to fail. imho

Who's clutching? Im giving my opinion based on all publicly available statements, you seem to be reading between the lines as to why this will fail? I see one of us grasping at straws but from ny position it isnt me.

Partnership also doesnt mean everyone has to agree, I can be your business partner but that doesnt mean I agree with every decision you make.

Once again this mythical veto doesnt exist