Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[Good2Golf]

Back to the other option of running a new pipeline East through Ontario rather than dipping down into the US I wonder if building along abandoned/unused rail lines where possible might make it easier to cross the difficult terrain of the Canadian Shield. The total distance might be longer than an optimal straight line route but I wonder if that might be offset by the cost savings of building along a previously cleared path?

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There would be significant advantages to using old railbeds due to, if nothing else, the muskeg is already filled in and the route is designed for all season weight. Crossings would need to be installed but that's any easy task for crews to install.

There would be some engineering issues in terms of widths needed but it's easier to expand a road than build from scratch or you end up with one-way segments with pullouts for passing.

Landownership however might be an issue as many of those old lines have been sold off and may be private holdings. In S. Ont. I believe a large number of them were converted to recreation trails.

That said the key segments of Ignace (best guess on terminus) -> Thunder Bay -> Long Lac and then picking up fromt he area around Timmins -> Gogama -> Sudbury down towards Ottawa jump out as major corridors...in very difficult ground....to focus upon.

If you go east from Timmins -> Temuskiming (ONT/QUE) border area there is an interesting chain of communities I didn't see much roading too running from Val-de-Or east....pipes need to get south at some point but a route that is high and away from the communities of St. Lawarence might be an easier political battle than through the dense populations area. Maybe the Quebec solution is a port downstream of Quebec City and then it's either tanker to New Brunswick/Montreal or export overseas?
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….or, we don’t overthink it and just twin up along TC Energy’s Canadian Mainline natural gas line through Ontario…

TC Energy — Canadian Mainline

TC Energy’s Canadian Mainline safely delivers natural gas from Alberta and B.C. to eastern markets.

www.tcenergy.com

 

[YZT580]

….or, we don’t overthink it and just twin up along TC Energy’s Canadian Mainline natural gas line through Ontario…

TC Energy — Canadian Mainline

TC Energy’s Canadian Mainline safely delivers natural gas from Alberta and B.C. to eastern markets.

www.tcenergy.com

if you can get it through Quebec and provided it doesn't run into first nation blockages through the north.

 

[Good2Golf]

if you can get it through Quebec and provided it doesn't run into first nation blockages through the north.

Canadian Mainline would put it down into Southern Ontario refineries. I’m still not sure if Quebec wants to play the ‘refine WCS’ game yet…

 

[daftandbarmy]

if you can get it through Quebec and provided it doesn't run into first nation blockages through the north.

Highly unlikely as they voted decisively againt pipelines earlier this year:

Motion against a pipeline that would cross Quebec: parties take a stand​

Quebec Solidaire (QS) and the Parti Québécois (PQ) voted in favour of a motion opposing a pipeline project that would cross Quebec, while the Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) and the Quebec Liberal Party (PLQ) voted against it.

QS MNA for Taschereau Étienne Grandmont tabled a motion on Thursday calling on the National Assembly to affirm its opposition to Marinevest Energy’s proposed gas pipeline and liquefied natural gas plant.

Eighty members, including CAQ and Liberal members, voted against the motion, while 14 members, including PQ and QS members, voted in favour of the motion.

Motion against a pipeline that would cross Quebec: parties take a stand

Quebec Solidaire (QS) and the Parti Québécois (PQ) voted in favour of a motion opposing a pipeline project that would cross Quebec, while the Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) and the Quebec Liberal Party (PLQ) voted against it.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

Highly unlikely as they voted decisively againt pipelines earlier this year:

Motion against a pipeline that would cross Quebec: parties take a stand​

Quebec Solidaire (QS) and the Parti Québécois (PQ) voted in favour of a motion opposing a pipeline project that would cross Quebec, while the Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) and the Quebec Liberal Party (PLQ) voted against it.

QS MNA for Taschereau Étienne Grandmont tabled a motion on Thursday calling on the National Assembly to affirm its opposition to Marinevest Energy’s proposed gas pipeline and liquefied natural gas plant.

Eighty members, including CAQ and Liberal members, voted against the motion, while 14 members, including PQ and QS members, voted in favour of the motion.

Motion against a pipeline that would cross Quebec: parties take a stand

Quebec Solidaire (QS) and the Parti Québécois (PQ) voted in favour of a motion opposing a pipeline project that would cross Quebec, while the Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) and the Quebec Liberal Party (PLQ) voted against it.

www.ctvnews.ca

And the argument for Churchill keeps getting better.

If that is the only route due to an impassable barrier and a hostile power then the only question that remains is how cheaply can you transport the product and can the market absorb enough of the cost to leave you a useful profit.

 

[Kirkhill]

In other news, is fossil hydrogen good hydrogen or bad hydrogen? It's clean but is it renewable? And is it cheap?

This Canadian Mine Might Release Enough Natural Hydrogen Each Year to Power 400 Homes, Hinting at an Untapped Source of Clean Energy

Many of the country's metal mines are embedded in an ancient rock formation that probably also houses a lot of the resource, referred to as "white hydrogen"

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[MilEME09]

Germany LNG deal coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2059324319382098227

 

[brihard]

Germany LNG deal coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2059324319382098227

There’s been a bit of a flurry of announcements this past week in energy stuff. Good to see.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Germany LNG deal coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2059324319382098227

How many days to ship LNG from BC to Hamburg?

EDIT:

• 18-22 days from Prince Rupert to Hamburg.
• 7-10 days from Churchill MB to Hamburg.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Germany LNG deal coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2059324319382098227

I believe that this amount of nat gas to Germany will cover around 15-20% of the yearly needs.

 

[HavokFour]

I believe that this amount of nat gas to Germany will cover around 15-20% of the yearly needs.

Still wouldn't hurt to have a way to export somewhere closer in the east, be it Churchill or elsewhere.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Germany LNG deal coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2059324319382098227

And it seems to be signed according to the G&M (also archived here) ...

Ksi Lisims reaches deal for LNG project with German utility SEFE

Deal strengthens proposal for the B.C. export terminal, with a final investment decision expected later this year

www.theglobeandmail.com

LATE ADD: More on the project here:

Project

www.ksilisimslng.com

Ksi Lisims LNG - Natural Gas Liquefaction and Marine Terminal Project

Ksi Lisims LNG - Natural Gas Liquefaction and Marine Terminal Project - The Nisga'a Nation, Rockies LNG LP, and Western LNG LLC are proposing to develop a floating natural gas liquefaction facility and marine terminal, located at Wil Milit on Pearse Island, in British Columbia. As proposed, the...

iaac-aeic.gc.ca

EPIC

projects.eao.gov.bc.ca

 

[MilEME09]

Still wouldn't hurt to have a way to export somewhere closer in the east, be it Churchill or elsewhere.

Only two proposals in the east, one has environmental approval in NS but not started construction

 

[Colin Parkinson]

And it seems to be signed according to the G&M (also archived here) ...

Ksi Lisims reaches deal for LNG project with German utility SEFE

Deal strengthens proposal for the B.C. export terminal, with a final investment decision expected later this year

www.theglobeandmail.com

LATE ADD: More on the project here:

Project

www.ksilisimslng.com

Ksi Lisims LNG - Natural Gas Liquefaction and Marine Terminal Project

Ksi Lisims LNG - Natural Gas Liquefaction and Marine Terminal Project - The Nisga'a Nation, Rockies LNG LP, and Western LNG LLC are proposing to develop a floating natural gas liquefaction facility and marine terminal, located at Wil Milit on Pearse Island, in British Columbia. As proposed, the...

iaac-aeic.gc.ca

EPIC

projects.eao.gov.bc.ca

Just need a pipeline, a LNG train, terminal, no problem. That being said, previously the Nisga agreed to a pipeline line cutting into the Memorial Lava Bed, as treaty FN, they discovered that money is required to run a government. So they are much more flexible in their thinking now.

 

[YZT580]

Still wouldn't hurt to have a way to export somewhere closer in the east, be it Churchill or elsewhere.

not being a naval type, are there any potential bottlenecks where someone could choke off the route? I am assuming that they are going to go west and around Africa.

 

[Czech_pivo]

not being a naval type, are there any potential bottlenecks where someone could choke off the route? I am assuming that they are going to go west and around Africa.

I read that they are going through the Panama - 18-22 days duration.

 

[daftandbarmy]

If only Quebec had a LNG facility...


27, 2026

The Canada-Germany Natural Gas Supply Agreement clearly demonstrates the demand for a project like Marinvest’s, says the MEI​

• A natural gas tanker departing from the Quebec’s North Shore would reach Germany 18 days sooner than one departing from British Columbia.

Montreal, May 27, 2026 – The signing of an agreement to export Canadian natural gas to Germany from a port in British Columbia demonstrates that there is clear demand for a gas terminal project, such as the one proposed by Marinvest, in Quebec, says a researcher at the MEI.

“Stability and reliability are valuable when it comes to energy supply, and that is what Germany is reminding us of today,” stated Gabriel Giguère, senior policy analyst at the MEI. “If natural gas liquefaction terminals were to come online on the East Coast, it is clear that European buyers would take an interest, especially given the reduction in transportation costs that this would entail.”

Under an agreement announced earlier this morning, the SEFE (Securing Energy for Europe) group is set to purchase one million metric tons of liquefied natural gas from the proposed terminal associated with the Ksi Lisims project near Prince Rupert, British Columbia.

Natural gas deliveries are set to begin in the early 2030s, and would continue for 20 years, according to the German ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy. According to Energy Minister Hodgson, the gas would be shipped aboard LNG carriers that would travel down the Pacific coast and through the Panama Canal before heading to Northern Europe.

This route from Prince Rupert to the port of Wilhelmshaven in northern Germany covers a distance of 9,387 nautical miles. According to the MEI’s calculations, at an average speed of 15 knots, and assuming no delays at the Panama Canal, a one-way trip would take just over 26 days.

The same LNG carrier, departing instead from the port of Baie Comeau – where Marinvest Energy plans to build a natural gas liquefaction plant – would take just under eight days to reach the same German port.

The Canada-Germany Natural Gas Supply Agreement clearly demonstrates the demand for a project like Marinvest’s, says the MEI | Montreal Economic Institute

The signing of an agreement to export Canadian natural gas to Germany from a port in British Columbia demonstrates that there is clear demand for a gas terminal project, such as the one proposed by Marinvest, in Quebec, says a researcher at the MEI.

www.iedm.org

 

[MilEME09]

Interesting how much would need to get this pipeline going

https://twitter.com/x/status/2060051118068031862

 

[Czech_pivo]

Interesting how much would need to get this pipeline going

https://twitter.com/x/status/2060051118068031862

I'd like to understand the math that he's talking about.

 

[childs56]

I'd like to understand the math that he's talking about.

Taken from the link below."Industry will need to invest capital in growing production to fill the new line, make shipping commitments, as well as invest in a carbon capture project mandated by the federal government"

Alberta Oil Pipeline to Cost Sector $73 Billion, Imperial Says

Alberta’s proposed million-barrel-a-day pipeline to the British Columbia coast will require Canada’s oil industry to invest more than C$100 billion ($72.5 billion),…

financialpost.com

No one is going to invest that kind of cash if not everyone in government is on board from the various provinces and Feds. Sorry for the 10 years it has been an uphill battle for Oil and Gas to get projects approved and off the ground.