Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[YZT580]

As I noted previously, the neighbours will want a say.

On the other hand expanding the refinery would go down well with California as they are seeing much of their refinery capacity being closed and are having to import more and more refined and raw products every day. Vancouver would be a short haul and a stable supplier.

 

[Czech_pivo]

On the other hand expanding the refinery would go down well with California as they are seeing much of their refinery capacity being closed and are having to import more and more refined and raw products every day. Vancouver would be a short haul and a stable supplier.

lol, I know that money has no allegiance but building a new pipeline to the coast to only see it be ship to California is different than a new pipeline to the US mid-west or Texas how?
I understand that the oil to Texas sells at a discount to what is shipped via TMX now. But is the goal to diversify away from the US or obtain a higher price for our product?

 

[Altair]

lol, I know that money has no allegiance but building a new pipeline to the coast to only see it be ship to California is different than a new pipeline to the US mid-west or Texas how?
I understand that the oil to Texas sells at a discount to what is shipped via TMX now. But is the goal to diversify away from the US or obtain a higher price for our product?

Push more oil to Asia and we can do both. With the oil glut America is having, I don't see the need to push more oil into the US market. Add Venezuela poised to export more heavy crude to the USA, yeah, pipelines to the pacific.

 

[YZT580]

lol, I know that money has no allegiance but building a new pipeline to the coast to only see it be ship to California is different than a new pipeline to the US mid-west or Texas how?
I understand that the oil to Texas sells at a discount to what is shipped via TMX now. But is the goal to diversify away from the US or obtain a higher price for our product?

you will obtain a higher price. Oil from Texas has to go through Panama to get to California. There is no pipeline. Kinder is talking of one from the midwest but so far, nada. California, at least until a new line is constructed would be no different as a customer than say Japan.

 

[Altair]

you will obtain a higher price. Oil from Texas has to go through Panama to get to California. There is no pipeline. Kinder is talking of one from the midwest but so far, nada. California, at least until a new line is constructed would be no different as a customer than say Japan.

is western gateway in the works in the USA?

Sure, sell the oil if its at the proper price point, but I think the priority should be on encouraging Asian nations to buy the bulk of it.

 

[brihard]

it's western gateway in the works in the USA?

Sure, sell the oil of its at the proper price point, but I think the priority should be on encouraging Asian nations to buy the bulk of it.

Build pipe to pacific tidewater. Let the ships load up with purchased oil, and said where they may. If Californian imports want to offer a better price than Japan or Singapore, cool, fill your boots (or boats?) But at least the option is there, so that if later on the U.S. builds an east west pipeline to fuel California from Texas, by simply asking two bucks a barrel less, now we’re selling to Asia again.

The end state I care about is diversity of export market options. We’ll do fine once we have access to the pacific market with more volume. If it still ends up being sold to the U.S. based on price signals, that’s fine. They won’t have us over a barrel dependent on them though.

 

[YZT580]

it's western gateway in the works in the USA?

Sure, sell the oil of its at the proper price point, but I think the priority should be on encouraging Asian nations to buy the bulk of it.

It is but all the normal participants are ganging up against it just like here. Even money probably on which gets built first but with Trump's hate on for California it could easily be ours.

 

[lenaitch]

And theoretically a pipeline to Tofino would be a workable solution. It is outside the tanker moratorium limits and is 150 m deep after you get over the 12 m bar at the mouth.

Over a mountain range or two, under the strait, over another mountain range, only to be confronted by hippies throwing homemade soap at you. I imagine the sea state on the west coast of the Island would demand a large, sheltered, deep water harbour.

 

[lenaitch]

As I noted previously, the neighbours will want a say.

We should any concerns the US neighbours would have the same weight I am sure the US gives Canadian locals over nuclear subs operating in the waters.