Polygraph

[Journeyman]

Actually, let's roll back a second... I never said "if" at all in my first statement:

If you're going to cut & paste your own posts.....  :

He simply believes that if the polygraph evidence is not only inaccurate, but inadmissible that it shouldn't be used as any good investigator knows the signs of an individual who's lying.

Readers can only assess what you mean by what you post -- internet sucks that way. Sorry.


And for some people.....Col Kurtz for example....."if" is a significant modifier. I'm sorry your English teacher missed that point.

 

[JorgSlice]

If you're going to cut & paste your own posts.....  :
Readers can only assess what you mean by what you post -- internet sucks that way. Sorry.


And for some people.....Col Kurtz for example....."if" is a significant modifier. I'm sorry your English teacher missed that point.

That wasn't from my original statement, that was in reply to someone believing his statement is biased and self-serving, which if the orignal statement was read properly, that conclusion would not have been made. Please refer to the original statement which is displayed in very clear, easy to read and proper English for you.

... He said that fact that he is one of 5 Investigative Polygraph Specialists available in the country is arse-backwards as the ruling that declared their results inadmissible as evidence in the court of law came in many years before he completed his training for the Polygraph Division. They still use it as an investigative tool to this day.

With this statement, I don't understand why you have to pick apart a secondary because of an "if". Once again, proved that it was indeed my initial, first statement that did not include an "if". Try harder.

This is petty and trivial, is it really that hard to understand because of an "if"? If so... pretty sad.

 

[Journeyman]

If so... pretty sad.

:nod:


I'm done. Feel free to come back with a suitable "oh...oh ya!" retort if you feel the need.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Any good investigator can also make up false "leads".

Yea you looked up and to the left when you answered that question meaning you're accessing the creative part of your brain clearly you're lying.

 

[JorgSlice]

Any good investigator can also make up false "leads".

Yea you looked up and to the left when you answered that question meaning you're accessing the creative part of your brain clearly you're lying.

That is why we are required to investigate our "false lead" before determining whether it is indeed false or not. Can't just act on a false lead or even true lead, without investigating to verify the validity.

 

[J.J]

What makes you think that? Are you a police officer?

He simply believes that if the polygraph evidence is not only inaccurate, but inadmissible that it shouldn't be used as any good investigator knows the signs of an individual who's lying.

I think your statement is biased and self-serving. He follows orders, just as you do. He was told to take his training for it, and he did. He was told to perform the investigation using it, and he did.

I don't really know what to say about your "operator", I have the RCMP Forensics Interrogation and Interview course, I am a qualified instructor in the Reid technique. You cannot do the job of an interrogator/interviewer if you don't believe in the process. Is the polygraph perfect, no, but in my opinion it is close, if the administrator is decent, they can be damn close to perfect. The polygraph is an investigative tool that assists an investigation pointing them (hopefully) in the right direction. Any good investigator doesn't believe only one form of forensic evidence, they look for a multiplicity of indicators/evidence.

 

[Greymatters]

How do you stand on academic studies that show that polygraph tests are less than 65% accurate?

Or on statements by credible persons that polygraphs don't work?  For example:

For example in 1978 Richard Helms, the 8th Director of Central Intelligence, stated that: "We discovered there were some Eastern Europeans who could defeat the polygraph at any time. Americans are not very good at it, because we are raised to tell the truth and when we lie it is easy to tell we are lying. But we find a lot of Europeans and Asiatics [who] can handle that polygraph without a blip, and you know they are lying and you have evidence that they are lying."