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Post: "Why Terrorism Must Win"

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An analysis from "Celestial Junk" on why there is such a rabid constituency for the AQ, Taliban etc. as recent "opinion pieces" in Canadian newspapers like the Globe and Mail make clear. If "we" in the Agloshpere West win, then the quasi religious world view of the political Left will have been deeply damaged. While this is probably not enough to deter the "true Believers", it will be much more difficult to convert the masses when the example of a democratic Iraq or Afghanistan are openly contradicting everything they say:

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-terrorism-must-win.html

Why Terrorism Must Win

Whose side are you on?

After all the whining about illegal wars in Iraq, about the neo-con agenda, about 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, about 911 being brought about by American hegemony, about “it’s all about oil”, about WMD, about Oil for Food child victims, about war mongering, about enriched uranium bullet poisoned children, about “little Eichmanns”, about US war dead, about American atrocities, and Haliburton, the left has yelped itself into a corner.

Imagine if you will, that three to seven years from now Iraq is a relatively stable and functioning democracy. Imagine that terrorist acts in that country have ceased, or are at least so rare that they actually are “news” when they occur. Imagine an Iraqi economy open for business, with the infrastructure largely recovered and schools and universities filled with both genders. The Iraqi Dinar climbs to Saddam era levels, and Iraqi ex-pats by the thousands visit there homeland unafraid. Imagine an Iraq balancing successfully on the tightrope between a secular and Islamic state, where even the bitter Sunnis join in the building of a new country. In otherwords, imagine every freedom loving person's dream for Iraq coming true.

Now consider today’s leftwing talking points in that context. Suddenly the pro-UN-anti-American rants will seem empty, the WMD complaints vapid, and the “freedom fighter” terminology of socialist media nothing but Utopian rhetoric gone bad. And, worst of all, the apologetics for terrorism in Iraq, as now practiced by the left, will seem like shriveled raisins in the heat of day.

From the point of view of the left, (union hacks, Euro-elite, mini-Moore extremists, MSM elitists, socialist utopians, KOS kids, and progressives) Iraq MUST FAIL. In order to be proven correct, in order to save their ideology, in order to put America in her place, Iraq as a country must not succeed, and terrorism must win in Iraq. If terrorism wanes and falls to a background threat, then the neo-cons, and the pragmatic leaders like prime ministers Blair and Howard, and G. W. Bush, and the coalition partners, will have been proven right. And, the doomsday preachings of the left will have been all for naught, not to mention that the religion of the United Nations will have taken a hit.

If it sometimes sounds as if the left is rooting for the terrorists of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the bombers of subways and buses; well they are. They must, simply because their strident postulating has painted them into the most ridiculous corner any political entity has found itself in for a long time. After engaging in some of the most bombasteous rhetoric in decades, the left has carved out positions on the political battlefield that are becoming nearly impossible to back out of. Astute ideologists always leave a way out, a back door as it were, but somebody forgot to explain that to the Socialists.

Coalition forces in Iraq and even Afghanistan are, by extension, enemies of the socialist cause. They stand between American, Canadian, and European "progressives" and their dreams of a Shangri-La headed by the United Nations. If you are a believer of the "UN Supremacy" credo, then Coalition forces must not win.

So it is, that for “progressives” the terrorists must prevail if their utopian dogma is to be preserved intact. The Left's "One World Under the UN" credo, must be defended even at the cost of Iraq failing. Ironically, behind the feigned leftist pitty for child victims of the Iraq and Afghan conflicts, is hidden delight every time terrorists succeed. If you thought it was your imagination, it wasn’t; and now you know why.
 
I see what the author is getting at and I must say I've considered it on one level or another before.
But I find it floats close to the idea that you can't have a dissenting or differing opinion even in an academic sense, without being some kind of enemy of the state.
Maybe I misread it, but I could see this somehow calling pacifist a terrorist by proxy because they don't believe in the current war or any other war for that matter.
 
I don't believe that is what the author is saying, although you could certainly move far enough down that road to make principled opposition to courses of action being treated as "treason"

Consider the current "debate" in Canada over withdrawing from Afghanistan and interveneing in Dafur. Setting aside the practical matter of invading a sovereign state and the logistical impossibility of actually doing so, the unspoken assumption behind this is that Canada should pull troops from a theater where we do have a vital national interest, abandon the task of stabilization ops and nation building and abandon the Afghan people to the wolves, in favor of a "feel good" peacekeeping mission.

Notably lacking from the analysis is the fact that we cannot do this mission (no sanction, no permission, no ability) or even an acknowledgment that actually arriving in theater and changing the conditions that are leading to the genocide would require more and harder fighting than we have seen since at least Korea.

If we have dissent (and I believe we should) then it should be well reasoned and rigerously argued. Simply saying "four legs good, two legs bad" is not enough to show why one course of action is preffereble to another. The author of the Blog seems to be saying that success in Iraq will demolish the sloganeering of the last several years, success will trump rhetoric and overall that is a good thing.
 
I will once again ask that we try and take a less wide brush than "the left".

Many in "the left", in fact most of the people I know, would be very pleased if Afghanistan and Iraq turned out to be stable, functioning democracies. We just give Afghanistan a 50/50 chance, and Iraq about a popsicle in hell's chance over the long term.

And once again, the outcome doesn't change the reasons why the war started.

But if you mean peace activitists by all of this, then yea, sure.

And I'm sorry, but despite what Ann Coulter thinks, "liberalism" is not a quasi-religion. ( I also find her book really amusing... seeing as her beliefs are properly called "liberal" as well). We can debate this if you like (unless of course you've decided to define religion in such a way as to allow it, but by most connotations and commonly used meanings).
 
a_majoor said:
\If we have dissent (and I believe we should) then it should be well reasoned and rigerously argued. Simply saying "four legs good, two legs bad" is not enough to show why one course of action is preffereble to another. The author of the Blog seems to be saying that success in Iraq will demolish the sloganeering of the last several years, success will trump rhetoric and overall that is a good thing.

I see your view on the article for everything except the above quote and contrast it with the following comment by Couchcommander:

couchcommander said:
I will once again ask that we try and take a less wide brush than "the left".


I think that it's just as detrimental to the idea of well reasoned and rigorous debate when either side makes use of the word "left" or "right"/"Neo-Con" so often (as this article seems to have done).
So while the author does have a valid argument, as I said in my previous post I have considered it on different levels, I nearly stopped reading it once I saw the rabid use of the word left to describe anyone who fit the criteria listed in the article.

Perhaps I'm not seeing the argument in the article on enough levels though.
 
I'm up with Che on this one.

Left and Right, Liberal and Conservative, Democrat and Republican, NDP and everybody else..... force me to buy into a bundle of ideas I don't necessarily agree with in the name of solidarity and advancing the "Cause".

I prefer to pick and choose and advance my own causes.  Makes me a poor Party man.
 
Kirkhill said:
I prefer to pick and choose and advance my own causes.  Makes me a poor Party man.
as do I. And in this case, the author's and my own are very closely related. As are our views on the "Cause" of so many on "The Left" for ease of definition (and my own amusement at previous poster's exasperation).
 
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