Predator Purchase Cancelled

[Ex-Dragoon]

+1....sadly.

I expected more "stones" from Mr. Harper.



Matthew.   ???

Still I believe he has more stones then the two alternatives in Dion and Layton.

 

[ArmyRick]

Bottom line, no predators for the troops 

 

[geo]

Heh, the predators are politicians

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If they can provide sustained flight, and watch, over the routes driven by our guys. If they could spot and fire on the insurgents burying IEDs on those routes. I think their purchase is more than justified. Perhaps that's the selling point that the CF has to push.

 

[geo]

WRT the Sperwer, I was under the impression that they had managed to get the bugs out of the system and that they were providing a good accounting of themselves these days...


http://www.defense-update.com/products/s/sperwer.htm

Sperwer Operators:
The system is currently in use with the Canadian, which deployed the system in Afghanistan. It is also used by the Swedish (dubbed UGGLAN), Dutch forces, and was recently acquired by the Greek Army. A derivative of the Sperwer - System de Drone Tactique Intermediare (SDTI) is also in operation with the French Army. It entered service in 2003 as a replacement for Sagem's Crecerelle system. According to some reports, Pakistan and Saudi-Arabia are also interested in this system. The Sperwer was first deployed to Afghanistan in 2003 as part of the ISAF. Since March 2006 the UAV is back in Afghanistan for operations in the Kandahar region.

Canada Order More Sperwers
Canada procured SPERWER TUAVs in 2003 to meet requirements for Operation ATHENA, Canada's contribution to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. In in Decembert 2005 Canada announced the procurement of five additional Sperwers at a cost of C$15 million covering attrition, maintaining system availability throughout the vehicle's repair and turn-around time. The UAVs were delivered in early 2006 by Oerlikon-Contraves Canada, acting as Canadian prime contractor for France's SAGEM. Following the deactivation of the Danish Army Sperwer unit, Canada acquired the Danish systems, which will reinforce its UAV fleet. The Danish systems will be standardized by Sagem to the Canadian configuration (ground station and aerial vehicles).




May 17, 2007


The CU-161 Sperwer reached the 1,000 hour mark on March 28. 
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/news_e.asp?cat=114&id=3289

By Major Mark Wuennenberg

The Canadian Forces CU161 Sperwer, Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (TUAV), reached a major milestone during its current deployment to Kandahar, Afghanistan.  On March 28, 2007 the TUAV Flight, now in its 3rd rotation, surpassed the 1000-hour mark. This occurred while conducting a night operation in support of  Canadian RECCE troops.  During this flight, Capt James Atwood, Bdr Jim Aucoin and Bdr Michael May conducted an overwatch mission in the Nalgham region southwest of Kandahar.


The CU161 provides the Canadian Battle Group with a day/night, thermal imaging system able to cover large distances without putting soldiers lives at risk.  The system has been so successful that it has converted many sceptics.  In a speech to the TUAV flight personnel LCol Lavoie, a recent Canadian Battle Group commander, stated that he was very happy to see the TUAV flight exceed his expectations.  He praised the personnel for directly saving the lives of his troops and credited the TUAV system with assisting in the reduction of the number of enemy to the tunes of hundreds.


As one of the Air Force capabilities deployed directly to Kandahar Airfield, the TUAV flight is unique in that personnel from both the Air Force and the Land Force make up its composition.  The current ROTO comprises 56 personnel with the majority of the Air Force personnel from 403 HOTS (CFB Gagetown) and the Land Force personnel mainly coming from 4 Air Defence (AD) Regiment (Moncton).

 

[cameron]

What I consider even worse than the army not having UAV's is not having UCAV's to make up for their lack of attack helicopters.

 

[geo]

Uhhh... we do have UAVs..... TUAVs to be more precise.

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

This is interesting....


Matthew.   

Robot Air Attack Squadron Bound for Iraq
Jul 15, 1:59 PM (ET)
By CHARLES J. HANLEY

(AP) Air Force Capt. Bethany Slack, a Predator pilot, operates an aircraft from a control center at...


BALAD AIR BASE, Iraq (AP) - The airplane is the size of a jet fighter, powered by a turboprop engine, able to fly at 300 mph and reach 50,000 feet. It's outfitted with infrared, laser and radar targeting, and with a ton and a half of guided bombs and missiles.

The Reaper is loaded, but there's no one on board. Its pilot, as it bombs targets in Iraq, will sit at a video console 7,000 miles away in Nevada.

The arrival of these outsized U.S. "hunter-killer" drones, in aviation history's first robot attack squadron, will be a watershed moment even in an Iraq that has seen too many innovative ways to hunt and kill.

That moment, one the Air Force will likely low-key, is expected "soon," says the regional U.S. air commander. How soon? "We're still working that," Lt. Gen. Gary North said in an interview.


(AP) Lt. Col. Stephen Williams, Commander for the 332nd Expeditionary Aircraft Maintenance Squadron,...
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The Reaper's first combat deployment is expected in Afghanistan, and senior Air Force officers estimate it will land in Iraq sometime between this fall and next spring. They look forward to it.

"With more Reapers, I could send manned airplanes home," North said.

The Associated Press has learned that the Air Force is building a 400,000-square-foot expansion of the concrete ramp area now used for Predator drones here at Balad, the biggest U.S. air base in Iraq, 50 miles north of Baghdad. That new staging area could be turned over to Reapers.

It's another sign that the Air Force is planning for an extended stay in Iraq, supporting Iraqi government forces in any continuing conflict, even if U.S. ground troops are drawn down in the coming years.

The estimated two dozen or more unmanned MQ-1 Predators now doing surveillance over Iraq, as the 46th Expeditionary Reconnaissance Squadron, have become mainstays of the U.S. war effort, offering round-the-clock airborne "eyes" watching over road convoys, tracking nighttime insurgent movements via infrared sensors, and occasionally unleashing one of their two Hellfire missiles on a target.

From about 36,000 flying hours in 2005, the Predators are expected to log 66,000 hours this year over Iraq and Afghanistan.

The MQ-9 Reaper, when compared with the 1995-vintage Predator, represents a major evolution of the unmanned aerial vehicle, or UAV.

At five tons gross weight, the Reaper is four times heavier than the Predator. Its size - 36 feet long, with a 66-foot wingspan - is comparable to the profile of the Air Force's workhorse A-10 attack plane. It can fly twice as fast and twice as high as the Predator. Most significantly, it carries many more weapons.

While the Predator is armed with two Hellfire missiles, the Reaper can carry 14 of the air-to-ground weapons - or four Hellfires and two 500-pound bombs.

"It's not a recon squadron," Col. Joe Guasella, operations chief for the Central Command's air component, said of the Reapers. "It's an attack squadron, with a lot more kinetic ability."

"Kinetic" - Pentagon argot for destructive power - is what the Air Force had in mind when it christened its newest robot plane with a name associated with death.

"The name Reaper captures the lethal nature of this new weapon system," Gen. T. Michael Moseley, Air Force chief of staff, said in announcing the name last September.

General Atomics of San Diego has built at least nine of the MQ-9s thus far, at a cost of $69 million per set of four aircraft, with ground equipment.

The Air Force's 432nd Wing, a UAV unit formally established on May 1, is to eventually fly 60 Reapers and 160 Predators. The numbers to be assigned to Iraq and Afghanistan will be classified.

The Reaper is expected to be flown as the Predator is - by a two-member team of pilot and sensor operator who work at computer control stations and video screens that display what the UAV "sees." Teams at Balad, housed in a hangar beside the runways, perform the takeoffs and landings, and similar teams at Nevada's Creech Air Force Base, linked to the aircraft via satellite, take over for the long hours of overflying the Iraqi landscape.

American ground troops, equipped with laptops that can download real-time video from UAVs overhead, "want more and more of it," said Maj. Chris Snodgrass, the Predator squadron commander here.

The Reaper's speed will help. "Our problem is speed," Snodgrass said of the 140-mph Predator. "If there are troops in contact, we may not get there fast enough. The Reaper will be faster and fly farther."

The new robot plane is expected to be able to stay aloft for 14 hours fully armed, watching an area and waiting for targets to emerge.

"It's going to bring us flexibility, range, speed and persistence," said regional commander North, "such that I will be able to work lots of areas for a long, long time."

The British also are impressed with the Reaper, and are buying three for deployment in Afghanistan later this year. The Royal Air Force version will stick to the "recon" mission, however - no weapons on board.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070715/D8QD61V80.html

 

[geo]

Hmmm.... shades of the Terminator's attack drones.

 

[GAP]

Is Canada going to consider these, or are they going to stick to rubber band windups? 

 

[Bzzliteyr]

Duct tape, helium baloons, digital camera with a good zoom lens, GPS  and one politician.

Canada's answer to the Predator, once we contract out and get the bidding started...

It might cost a few dollars to fly all the useless politicians over to Afghanistan but it would be well worth it!!  We'd also be getting more use out of them than what they do now!