Professional Envy/Jealousy in the CF...Does it Exist?

[Sig_Des]

I know "HitorMiss" is jealous of my hair 

That's only because he hasn't discovered the secret of the styling grit....

Seriously, I think we can all see that there will be some professional envy, at any point in our careers....but I'd also like to think, no more no less than any large performance/qualification driven corporations.

 

[Yrys]

I'd also like to think, no more no less than any large performance/qualification driven corporations.

It may be different with the soldiers that live on the base, as they are seeing, hearing more
often then someone working for a corporation, be it by themselves, theirs spouses or collegues,
about the difference on courses, etc some others have.

 

[Sig_Des]

It may be different with the soldiers that live on the base, as they are seeing, hearing more
often then someone working for a corporation, be it by themselves, theirs spouses or collegues,
about the difference on courses, etc some others have.

I dunno...I've been in factory towns where everyone lives in the same area, and the rumour mill is just as extensive as in a PMQ Patch.

Brings up an interesting point, though. Do you think that the professional envy is heightened due to the shape and nature of the community? IE, living in close proximity, spouses talking to other spouses about achievements, etc.?

 

[Chimo]

So back to the original question, obviously, jealousy and envy does exist in the CF, but hey what do I know, I just walked up a mountain...with a fine bunch of soldiers. 

 

[orange.paint]

Hell I haven't even seen the mountain....Imagine how jealous I am. ;D

 

[2 Cdo]

So back to the original question, obviously, jealousy and envy does exist in the CF, but hey what do I know, I just walked up a mountain...with a fine bunch of soldiers. 

Well said, I concur.

Jealousy and envy, we know everyone else is jealous of the infantry due to our good looks and charm! ;D

 

[Sig_Des]

we know everyone else is jealous of the infantry due to our good looks and charm! ;D

Nah, we're just jealous of your great powers of imagination  ;D

 

[Jarnhamar]

I prefer to think there is a difference between envy and jealousy.

I'm envious about a lot of stuff in the CF.  People who are in crazy good shape. People who get cool courses. Guys and girls with the awesome BTDT stories. Guys who can grow hair..

I'm not jealous of anything however.  For lack of a better explination I see jealousy as a negitive emotion where as I see envy as 'you lucked in, good for you. Wish that was me'.

When someone like in HitOrMiss's example of the pte getting the course over the cpl is put in that position I can see how someone may get jealous but I would consider it more like bad leadership and someone rightly feeling pissed off because they were boned.

 

[GUNS]

Definition of "jealousy, people who don't have the same work standards as the person they are jealous of.

 

[Journeyman]

When someone like in HitOrMiss's example of the pte getting the course over the cpl is put in that position I can see how someone may get jealous but I would consider it more like bad leadership and someone rightly feeling pissed off because they were boned.

While not specific to this thread, in your example don't ignore the possibility that the Cpl just isn't as terrific as he may believe.

I've also seen this happen, but the one who got passed over, and tends to bitch constantly regardless, may have sealed his own fate - - "you are your own career manager"

 

[KevinB]

Ah! Yes!  The "Dinosaur" or the "BTDT of Yesteryear"    Vs     the "BTDT of Today" soon to be the "Dinosaur of Tomorrow".  Funny thing all that.

Regarding the comments on BTDT.  I sat and scratched my head at this comment for a bit then had a good laugh.

Back in the day (get your helmet on folks) - We used to look up at people who had a tour of Cyprus - how cool (no one really looked up the the guys partying in Germany "keeping us safe from the Russians") - Then Somalia started to run up -- and it was like wow - we have people going into combat, the BC (SB) of E Bty stood and said - men, some of you are going to war... with the deployment to Somalia (too bad only one OP and a few others went - the rest of us drank in Cyprus) and as well Yugo kicked up.  So the "there I was drunk in Cyprus again" stories lost the cool.  A few incidents in the Balkans and boom the guys who where on UNPROFOR then IFOR then SFOR where the BTDT's.

However for "real" combat since WWII all we really had was Korean vets and none of them are still active.  Very few vets arre visible in the communities or the military, exceptions being Remembrance Day.

Boom 911 happens and 3VP gets the spotlight and marches off to war.
    By and large the TIC's are specific to the Snipers, Recce Elements -- and other CF entities...
Major casualties are cause by an errant USAF strike.

In pops ASIF (the more realistic assemble of the ISAF name) which does not really do much (Eurocorps bah)

OEF pops back up and TF106 is making news.
ISAF finds a backbone TF306 goes to war and Op Medusa
TF107 just went hunting.



In a volunteer army - no one really controls where they go and what they do.
Looking down on people since they did not have the same tour as you, is not right.  The fact remains that the soldiers elsewhere had a job to do while you where doing yours.  Next time they may be "doing the business" and you are sweeping the parade square...

That said as cbt is the be all and end all of the warrior profession - it behooves all of us to learn from the BTDT's, not to attempt to belittle their efforts or minimuse their sacrifices.   Additionally its extremly unprofessonal to insult others efforts in the face of the enemy - just because they had the guts to go looking for the enemy and the enemy was not there.  Lastly - chest beatings and the "I've been to war" comments get stale - since there is always someone out there that has been there longer and dome more than you - who is just silently sitting drinking his beer.

Those who have, have a responsibility to offer their lessons to the rest, those who have not, learn.  - that applies to a lot more things in life than just this.







Edit: I cant type - and my spelling is not very good either...

 

[HItorMiss]

+1 I6

It takes balls to walk into what you think is an enemy strong point regardless of wether the enemy is there or not. heck just deploying takes intestinal fortitude to some some degree.

 

[Jarnhamar]

While not specific to this thread, in your example don't ignore the possibility that the Cpl just isn't as terrific as he may believe.

For sure.  Some guys would just have the course wasted on them.  I guess that brings up the argument of time in vs who's the best man or woman for the course.

Also, WRT the example, we've all seen the ugly beast known as the old boys club.

In a volunteer army - no one really controls where they go and what they do.
Looking down on people since they did not have the same tour as you, is not right.  The fact remains that the soldiers elsewhere had a job to do while you where doing yours.  Next time they may be "doing the business" and you are sweeping the parade square...

That said as cbt is the be all and end all of the warrior profession - it behooves all of us to learn from the BTDT's, not to attempt to belittle their efforts or minimuse their sacrifices.  Additionally its extremly unprofessonal to insult others efforts in the face of the enemy - just because they had the guts to go looking for the enemy and the enemy was not there.  Lastly - chest beatings and the "I've been to war" comments get stale - since there is always someone out there that has been there longer and dome more than you - who is just silently sitting drinking his beer.

Awesome comment.  I think it's a matter of humility and respect on both ends.

 

[GUNS]

Nice read, Infidel-6