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Public servant steals nearly $1 million in computer parts from DND

What is interesting isn't that he stole so much and was caught and punished, but to see what happens when other people do this. Anyone remember the case of Paul Champagne, who defrauded DND of $100 million, yet got off extremely lightly compared to this case (look at the proportionality of the sentencing)?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/former-dnd-employee-pleads-guilty-in-100m-fraud-scheme-1.640036
 
c_canuk said:
If you are claiming procurement has a lack of bureaucracy, I disagree.

I've seen the supply system open up to untraceable abuses specifically because further layers of bureaucracy were added.

It comes down to the direct supervisors not the levels of middle men above. If the direct supervisor is doing his job, he would have been approving each and every purchase this individual made. However, since the supervisors are busy creating reports and filling out paperwork to justify routine purchases to people so isolated from daily operations they barely comprehend what's in them in the first place, the supervisors don't have as much time to do their jobs.

I expect the outcome of this is going to be yet another level of "checks and balances" that will take ever more time from the local supervisors, further isolating them from the day to day, making it easier for the corrupt to obfuscate purchases of this sort.

This wasn't caught by a high level of bureaucracy in puzzle palace, this was immediate supervisors finding time to look into his purchases and start asking questions. No level of paperwork will replace an attentive supervisor. Paperwork is fake-able, eyes on the ground, not so much. It doesn't matter how much of a paper trail you build, if the immediate supervisor is not doing their job you can't be sure the paperwork reflects reality and at that point it's useless time and resource suck. Either you can trust the people on the ground or you can't. If you can't no amount of paperwork will fix that.

Also, seeing as kit I needed in 2015 that was cancelled 3 months before the deadline due to lack of time, which was re ordered on the 1st of April 2016, has been cancelled yet again by SSC, I don't see how you can claim procurement has a lack of bureaucracy.

We've got too much and it's impacting operations. those at the high end of the CoC who think more paperwork and bureaucracy can fix everything need to consider it's only as reliable as the people churning it out.

Pretty sure that's what I said.
 
Log Offr said:
Pretty sure that's what I said.

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On the bright side, him and most others like him get caught. It's not as though the system is broken and open for abuse. It can just take longer to figure out that abuse is happening.

Broken? Yes it is imo, thoroughly broken. And the bureaucracy as I discussed above does not help catch them, it's part of the reason it took so long in the first place, imo.

Much of this is a direct result of downsizing and the various strategic efficiency projects over the years. Fewer layers of bureaucracy are great for effectiveness and productivity, but the downside is that it concentrates responsibility for execution into fewer hands.


I interpret this as stating the opposite opinion I hold: further layers of bureaucracy not only robs efficiency, it also consumes time supervisors could be using to check up on procurement substantiations. Layers of bureaucracy concentrate decision making with fewer people, further removed from actually understanding the real needs at the low end, and thus makes it easier for someone to run amok.

Supervisors for many functions either don't exist or don't have the capacity or time to manage all elements of their responsibility, so a smart, experienced and slimy staffer can run amok for a period of time without his bosses knowing something is amiss. Spot checks, attention to detail (although, good luck) and a formal audit process are the best defence these days.

Here I mainly agree with you, but these are the only methods that will work. They should be the primary method used. Layers of bureaucracy remove the supervisors ability to do them. Passing around piles of paper or emails with justifications to someone in another building in another level of organization create obfuscation that allows for these sorts of abuses.

The more bureaucracy you pile on the supervisors, the less time they have to verify. Therefore they have to trust more. For every hour a day of reports and substantiations crafted for the next level to compile, to pass up the next level to compile and so on, they have one hour less to actually do their job. Therefore they have to trust their employees more because they have less time to verify.

The hours a day I put into reports and returns to be compiled into increasingly meaningless fluff, to be passed up to satisfy the demands of ever increasing levels of bureaucracy so they can have "SA", is obscene. Especially since the information I need passed down to me seems to be a lower priority than collecting the fluff and everything ends up becoming a last minute emergency because the people holding the information don't have SA on why it's important, and don't have the ability to prioritize it correctly.

Provide me with direction and your vision, and accept my status reports. No I don't have the time or desire to enter metrics into a SharePoint excel sheet that's so devoid of details that it's essentially meaningless.

It's to the point that as long as enough fluff is compiled to make a pretty pie chart on a PowerPoint showing numbers getting bigger, any numbers, the higher is happy. No one seems to give a frig that our efficiency is down and it's getting harder to do our jobs.

Then something fails and whoops, here comes another level of bureaucracy to add more checks and balances in the form of spreadsheets, and to hold onto vital information for another day cycle before it gets passed down to me.

We are all on the same page why the Soviet Union fell right? It was too centralized to function. Without money offered to allow suppliers to asses demand, there had to be an omnipotent central organizational bureaucracy to manage supply and demand. Since people, especially in large groups with political in fighting are far from omnipotent, failure was the only possible outcome. Why are we not remembering this.
 
Have him do pack drill at the gate in the morning and digging ditches in the afternoon, that will help cure the addiction and remind people of the consequences. 
 
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