Question about Navy response to natural disasters

[Nfld Sapper]

The one(s) the Navy has (had?) were somewhat simpler than that - although they may have gone the way of the dodo and something more modern put in its place.  Last time I saw a portable ROD on a ship was 17 years ago.

No Occam, I'm talking about the ones the Army have....

 

[Occam]

No Occam, I'm talking about the ones the Army have....

I know.  That's not what Bass ackwards was inquiring about, though. 

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

No, but helos have broken down while they're "visiting", and left the 280's carrying two of them

Not since I been on them and I have been doing back and forth on both east coast ones for several years now. I would like to see your proof.

We would not use our ROD plants in harbour due to contamination from sewers and silt.

20 tons is about 2% of an AOR's dry cargo capacity. I'm sure you worked hard, and it'll help the Haitians a lot, but it's a comparatively small amount

Preserver ain't moving, deal with it! Halifax and Iroquois class ships are really not meant for this type of work but guess what every little bit helps. The tools, medical supplies, water etc we crammed onboard will help make a difference.

 

[Bass ackwards]

Dang. I didn't even think about small bottles of water in cases.
Thanks for the replies gents. I noticed from one of the Chronicle Herald videos that they were even loading stacks of orange plastic traffic cones. I'd love to see a list of what actually got loaded and how much. And where.

Halifax and Iroquois class ships are really not meant for this type of work but guess what every little bit helps. The tools, medical supplies, water etc we crammed onboard will help make a difference.

Hence my original question. I sure hope I wasn't the catalyst for a pissing contest here(though that might help the water situation once that 19,000 pound ROWPU gets on scene).
Either way, I'd have to say that the Navy's doing us pretty proud with the speedy response.

 

[Bass ackwards]

There is a conveyor which will bring caselot items from the weatherdeck level down to fridge flats, but it's only convenient if that's where you're storing it.  If it's going anywhere else, everyone forms a line, and the stuff gets passed hand to hand wherever it's going in the ship.  Ladders are easy to negotiate, you just put one or two people on them, and stuff gets passed between them.  Rotate the guys on the ladders as necessary.

The only detailed deck plans I have of warships, is for the Flower and Castle class corvettes. And apart from a tour of the upper deck of Halifax when she was in Thunder Bay a few years ago, the only warship I've ever been "inside" is HMCS Haida.
I guess things have changed a bit...

 

[Lex Parsimoniae]

The 280s have not deployed with 2 helos in a long time.

20 tonnes can be a lot depending on what it is.

+1

 

[drunknsubmrnr]

Not since I been on them and I have been doing back and forth on both east coast ones for several years now. I would like to see your proof.

What proof?

We had "our" helo break down on Atha-B on Northern Lights '96. The CTG wanted to go for a conference on another ship, so he got another TG helo to come pick him up. It broke too, and then a storm came up before the AOR could RAS over the spares to fix both helos. We went through the storm with both helos in the hangars. The roll preriod was a bit slower than normal, but it wasn't that bad.

Preserver ain't moving, deal with it! Halifax and Iroquois class ships are really not meant for this type of work but guess what every little bit helps. The tools, medical supplies, water etc we crammed onboard will help make a difference.

You might want to dial the aggression back a bit.

I agree that every bit helps. All I'm saying is that the classes aren't really suited for this, and can't carry much.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

The 280s have not deployed with 2 helos in a long time.

Hello....I said they have not deployed with two helos in a long time, had I known you would bring in a temporary situation that is no longer the norm in the Navy then yeah, I would have agreed. :

 

[Stoker]

As for stability, bigger ship's don't usually strap equipment to the upper decks due loss of stability. You have to remember this is also winter, and there's always the danger of icing during the transit south and extra weight doesn't always help.
The 280's and Halifax class do have ROD plants and they can be operated alongside, however frequent changes of membranes. Most likely the ship's will drop off there supplies and go to sea every few days to make water and top up their tanks. I suspect some of the bottled water embarked will be used by on board personnel if they are utilized as rescue workers.
The MCDV's were also considered to go as crazy as that sounds, they could carry several portable ROD plant's or gen sets. They were ruled out due to manning.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

The 280's and Halifax class do have ROD plants and they can be operated alongside

Thanks for that clarification. Using them alongside I take it would be during extreme circumstances then?

 

[Stoker]

Thanks for that clarification. Using them alongside I take it would be during extreme circumstances then?

That's right the Rod's the dart team use are made for throwing a hose into a dirty ditch of water and making fresh water. The one's we operate on the ship, we have regs that include operating them in certain depths of water and so far off the coast. Area's were is a outfall  say from a pulp and paper mill is to be avoided.
That being said they can be operated in Halifax for instance, however the frequency of membrane change outs and cleaning go way up.
When we head south I have our ROD's shutdown at least 100 NM from New York city because the area around it is one big dump especially after a storm and everything gets churned up.

 

[Snakedoc]

The MCDV's were also considered to go as crazy as that sounds, they could carry several portable ROD plant's or gen sets. They were ruled out due to manning.

How unfortunate, would've been neat to see them head down there.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Wouldn't it take forever and a day for one of them to actually sail down there though??  I seem to recall that they can only do 12-15 knots or there abouts, considerably less than a CPF or 280?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

That's right the Rod's the dart team use are made for throwing a hose into a dirty ditch of water and making fresh water. The one's we operate on the ship, we have regs that include operating them in certain depths of water and so far off the coast. Area's were is a outfall  say from a pulp and paper mill is to be avoided.
That being said they can be operated in Halifax for instance, however the frequency of membrane change outs and cleaning go way up.
When we head south I have our ROD's shutdown at least 100 NM from New York city because the area around it is one big dump especially after a storm and everything gets churned up.

Even the ROWPU's the Army has, has limits as to what we can process...... POL contaminated water is no-go as is feed water with a TDS level in excess of 30,000 PPM.

 

[kratz]

The MCDVs have sailed over to Europe for NATO's Exercise Blue Game a few times over the past 12 years. So getting to Haiti would not be unthinkable.

 

[Occam]

Wouldn't it take forever and a day for one of them to actually sail down there though??  I seem to recall that they can only do 12-15 knots or there abouts, considerably less than a CPF or 280?

Top speed for a MCDV is 15 knots.  But, HFX and ATH are only doing 20 knots on their way down, so they actually arrive there with fuel remaining and don't need to gas up on the way.  20 knots is a slow gallop for both ships' main engines - not as economical as the cruise engines on the 280 or the PDE on the CPFs, but they top out at 15 knots.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Tks for the answers guys.

 

[brandon_]

I know this isn't exactly a navy/ship question but, Could reservist's or even regF soldiers be sent there too help out? Just had a conversation with my parents about this, and well we have no idea. Anybody know?

 

[Stoker]

We do have several reserve Bosn's off our ship's sailing on the Halifax and Athabaskan. There was talk as of Fri to spend the funds to get the tanker off the wall as well as another Halifax class, perhaps the VDQ. You have to remember though we are cash strapped right now, as bad it ever was. This money we just spent will have to come from somewhere.

 

[George Wallace]

I know this isn't exactly a navy/ship question but, Could reservist's or even regF soldiers be sent there too help out? Just had a conversation with my parents about this, and well we have no idea. Anybody know?

I guess you don't read or watch the News.  OP HESTIA - Haiti Earthquake 2010 may cut your research time by 90%.