Questions

[tedavis]

I took work off today to visit a recruiting center with questions regarding NCM-SEP but didn't really get the response or answers I was looking for. He suggested that NCM-SEP was a bad idea and that you're very limited in what you can take and the jobs you can do, that I should join the forces and then once I'm in I can go back and do any education I want and that the forces would pay the bill. I can't find any information confirming this and I am a little confused. If I join wouldn't they send me to basic and then continued training and then put me to work? Where would be the time for education in this scenario?
I own a house and have a daughter so I can't just quit work and go back to school which is why I thought NCM-SEP would be the perfect scenario. I would be able to go to school while still being paid and then have guarenteed employment afterwards. I have always been interested in the forces but now I am ready to go for it.
If anyone could give me their take on this, that would be great. Thank you

 

[DAA]

I took work off today to visit a recruiting center with questions regarding NCM-SEP but didn't really get the response or answers I was looking for. He suggested that NCM-SEP was a bad idea and that you're very limited in what you can take and the jobs you can do, that I should join the forces and then once I'm in I can go back and do any education I want and that the forces would pay the bill. I can't find any information confirming this and I am a little confused. If I join wouldn't they send me to basic and then continued training and then put me to work? Where would be the time for education in this scenario?
I own a house and have a daughter so I can't just quit work and go back to school which is why I thought NCM-SEP would be the perfect scenario. I would be able to go to school while still being paid and then have guarenteed employment afterwards. I have always been interested in the forces but now I am ready to go for it.
If anyone could give me their take on this, that would be great. Thank you

See this link ---->  http://www.forces.ca/en/page/paideducation-96#paidcollege-2

NCM SEP is "limited" to the occupations which you will find at the link above.  So if any of the occupations listed are of interest to you, then you can always apply for one of them through the NCM SEP Program.  Selections for NCM SEP are normally done in the Apr-May time frame to allow for attendance on BMQ during the summer, followed by your academic program in the fall at the approved educational institution.  So you need to apply in Oct-Nov.

If you have any questions regarding the program, you can either post here or send me a PM.

 

[Cbbmtt]

Typically, as a new recruit in NCM SEP, you will attend college during the school year through an accredited program at a Canadian college. In addition to advanced technical training, NCM SEP students attend basic training and on-the-job training during the summer months. The full-time salary includes medical and dental care, as well as vacation time with full pay. The application deadline to NCM SEP is in January for the Fall college session.

Your application to NCM SEP does not guarantee a spot in an accredited program at a Canadian college. We strongly suggest that you apply to an accredited program through the College of your choice before you apply to NCM SEP.

From this I get that you should apply to the college for the trade of your choice prior to January for the fall college session, if you are accepted into the college apply for NCM SEP for the position that you want.

 

[DAA]

From this I get that you should apply to the college for the trade of your choice prior to January for the fall college session, if you are accepted into the college apply for NCM SEP for the position that you want.

There is NO requirement to have "acceptance" into any college or approved program inorder to apply for NCM SEP.  Academic acceptance is only required inorder to be "enrolled".

 

[tedavis]

I've read the website from start to finish and get that you apply to college then apply to the program but was looking for information on pay and what kind of marks I need. I finished highschool and am currently upgrading my math 12. A list of colleges and programs and what trades each program leads to...that kind of thing. I am confused about why he would suggest against it as well what he means about being able to do any education you want once in the forces. Can anyone give me information on that?

 

[DAA]

I've read the website from start to finish and get that you apply to college then apply to the program but was looking for information on pay and what kind of marks I need. I finished highschool and am currently upgrading my math 12. A list of colleges and programs and what trades each program leads to...that kind of thing. I am confused about why he would suggest against it as well what he means about being able to do any education you want once in the forces. Can anyone give me information on that?

First you pick an occupation and then they can tell you which "programs" and "colleges" are ACCEPTABLE.  You don't pick a program which leads to a trade, it's the trade which leads to the program.  So you MUST pick an occupation first!!!  Your High School transcripts will be evaluated against your chosen occupation and if you meet the academic requirements, then you can be processed.

Pay is no different than any other NCM who applies to the CF, the benefit is that your education is paid for.

The recruiter probably suggested against it, because they have limited knowledge/no idea or are "misinformed" about what the NCM SEP program is about.  It's a "great" opportunity for post secondary education which you can use outside the military should you choose to leave the CF later on in life.

So until you decide on an "occupation" there is not much more that can be answered.

 

[medicineman]

Might they have tried to steer him away due to funding issues being up in the air?

MM

 

[tedavis]

I'm interested in Electronic-Optronic Technician - Land. What college and program would I have to apply to in order for it to be covered by NCM SEP? He didn't have an answer to this

 

[DAA]

Might they have tried to steer him away due to funding issues being up in the air?
MM

Funding has nothing to do with it and not sure why they would do that, let alone steer someone away from a paid education, it baffles me.  Some of the NCM SEP occupations are closed but there are still 6 occupations which are OPEN due to lack of applicants. (Mar Eng, W Eng Tech, ATIS Tech, AVS Tech, Cook and MRAD Tech)

I'm interested in Electronic-Optronic Technician - Land. What college and program would I have to apply to in order for it to be covered by NCM SEP? He didn't have an answer to this

Again, you don't apply to any program, FIRST you have to apply to the CF as an EO Tech (NCM SEP) to see whether or not your high school academics qualify you.  Then you go from there........

Example (based on bad advice which regretably happens far to often) - you want to apply for Med Tech NCM SEP, your told you need acceptance into a "recognized" program.  You apply to College X which is recognized and get accepted.  Then you apply to the CF as a Med Tech under the NCM SEP program with your college acceptance letter.  For what ever reason, you do not get selected for the NCM SEP Program and now want to pursue Med Tech (Unskilled) but if your high school transcripts are assessed and you don't have Gr 11 Biology/Chemistry.  Your application for Med Tech (unskilled) would be turned down, even though an accredited College was willing to accept you into their program.


Simple solution.........email  [email protected]  and ask "What are the basic academic requirements needed to apply for EO Tech (Land)"

 

[tedavis]

Thank you for the suggestion, I've just sent an e-mail.

 

[DAA]

Thank you for the suggestion, I've just sent an e-mail.

Just make sure you do some thorough "research" into the occupations and sole searching.  There is no sense in applying for an occupation that you are truely not going to enjoy doing for the next 20-30 years.