Quick Question re: Advanced Courses

[Mike Baker]

OK, if this isn't the correct place to post, move it. I was wondering, with advance MOC training, how do the superiors know that you can do it? Can anyone ask to do advance MOC training?I had to ask because I couldn't find the answer. The MOC training I'm talking about is for the infantry, such as Urban Ops, Mountain Warfare, etc.

 

[rmacqueen]

That's what the desired courses portion of your PER is for and it never hurts to ask

 

[paracowboy]

anyone can ask for them. Not everyone will get them. Most times, you'll be told what courses you're going on, or certain individuals will be asked if they want to go on a specific course. There are a lot of variables involved, and sometimes it's just a crapshoot.

 

[Mike Baker]

thanks para and macqueen. 

 

[paracowboy]

I modified the title so as to make it easier for Searches to pick up, for others with similar questions, and I'm moving it to Training.

 

[Mike Baker]

Alrighty thanks. By the way, where is the Urban Ops taught? Gagetown like most other thinks for the infantry?

 

[dirtnco]

The Urban Ops COE is in Gtown , but with push on to train the trainer it will soon be taught a unit level as with other courses ie CQCI,Demolitions. We are having Staff who have done the training teach the troops with minimal input from the UOI and it seems to work.

Pre Patria

 

[GO!!!]

The Urban Ops COE is in Gtown , but with push on to train the trainer it will soon be taught a unit level as with other courses ie CQCI,Demolitions. We are having Staff who have done the training teach the troops with minimal input from the UOI and it seems to work.

Pre Patria

Will courses taught by the "Train the trainer" MCpls still qualify as courses? IE are we going to get a course report and an addition to the MPRR? Or is this one of those "qualifications" where you get taught the same thing again and again with no documentation to show you ever did it?

 

[Standards]

Mike_Baker,

Additionally, keep in mind that every course has prerequisites involving rank, previous courses, medical and physical fitness as well as a requirement for the qualification.  The courses you use as examples have multiple prerequisites, so its not a matter of just indicating your interest.

GO!!!
Good point.  I have previously inquired about some of these courses being decentralized but have yet to receive an affirmative answer.  Therefore, I suspect that it is unit training vice a formal qualification. 

Doug

 

[Haggis]

Will courses taught by the "Train the trainer" MCpls still qualify as courses? IE are we going to get a course report and an addition to the MPRR? Or is this one of those "qualifications" where you get taught the same thing again and again with no documentation to show you ever did it?

In a perfect world TTT (Train The Trainer) qualified instructors should be able to grant the formal qualification at the unit/ATC level.  The one proviso would be that they must use the courseware (MLPs, PowerPoint, tests etc.) provided by the COE, without modifications, and adhere to the Training Standard as set forth by the COE.  Modifications may be suggested, after the fact, to the COE for inclusion in the new release of courseware.

... in a perfect world, of course.

 

[paracowboy]

don't be absurd. Then what would happen to all the mini-empires? It's not about what's good for the Army, it's about holding onto qualifications to make yourself special. Don't you know nuthin'?

 

[Haggis]

don't be absurd. Then what would happen to all the mini-empires? It's not about what's good for the Army, it's about holding onto qualifications to make yourself special. Don't you know nuthin'?

... I guess not.  Sorry for my misguided, yet well intentioned post.  :-[

 

[Journeyman]

The one proviso would be that they must use the courseware (MLPs, PowerPoint, tests etc.) provided by the COE.....

The "Centre" may also wish to send out someone from Standards to ensure compliance; still, the cost of TD for one or two Gagetown people versus the cost of complete course loading from across Canada - - to hell with the advantages of having more skilled troops, you'd think some bean-counter would be all over this!

Nahhh.....paracowboy's empire-building theory likely takes precedence 

 

[GO!!!]

I think Para is right on with the Empire Maintaining tendencies.

There seems to be some pretty stiff resistance to any suggestion that courses can be successfully taught by the units without the Centre of Excellence attending every single class.

There is also the issue of the troops taking the course approaching it with the attitude "If it's not important enough to be a course, it's probably not all that important".

If the subjects being taught with TTT are important (and from what I've seen, they are) then it should be a real course, with lectures, weekly reviews, and pass/fail POs. Any less, and the implied message is that this is not taken seriously.