rank/pay question

[vanislerev]

ok, so heres me, im currently posted to PRETC (holding platoon) in Borden, finished BMQ and SQ (reg force), anyway, i enlisted as a semi skilled veh tech, and was to be granted IPC 3 pay on BMQ completion, 74 days toward promotion (to back date to bmq start date i suppose), and QL3 provisional status until completion of my 3's conversion. now, i did go to the BOR and get my pay sorted out, so thats good, the question i have is, some guys with the same enrollment incentives as me, that did BMQ in St. Jean, as opposed to Borden, have their first hook already. also, i have heard some things that i will be promoted to corporal one year from my enrollment date, as opposed to staying at IPC 3 for 3 more years, whats the truth behind all this?

 

[wotan]

Hard to say what the duff gen is without laying eyes on your ETP Instr (Enrolment/Transfer/Posting Instruction) and any amendments to it that may have been issued.

Your ETP instr will state what has been granted to you on your enrolment into the CF.  For example, if it says:

Pte, IPC 2, IC 74 days, TCP 1/274 

  That would mean that you would be enrolled as a Pte, Incentive Pay Category 2, granted 74 days credit towards your next incentive (i.e. you would only have to wait 291 days to receive IPC 3) and that you would be granted 1 year and 274 days towards promotion to Cpl.  The prerequisites for prom to Cpl are laid out in CFAO 49-4.

Remember, DO NOT confuse pay issues (IPC/IC) with promotion issues (TCP).  They are two separate things, and while your pay is based on your current rank, your rank is not dependant on your pay.

That said, get your hands on a copy of your ETP Instr, along with any amendments, and you will have a better idea of what was granted to you on enrolment.  Cheers.

 

[vanislerev]

Alright, that makes a bit more sence, only thing is my posting message doesnt have the "IC" only TCP..
says, to be granted rank of pte IPC3 after bmq,serial iaw ref c. (whatever that means),QL3(P)  (provisional status removed after conversion course @ CFSEME)
then, further on it has:
TCP 74 days, regardless of tcp on enrol, progression to next higher substantive rnk will be date mbr meets all prerequisites of cfao 49-4 and is selected from merit board if promotion is to other than corporal...

Im not sure if that makes any more sence, is that simply stating there are 291 days to the next rank, or 3 years and 291 days? These posting messages are code or something i swear...

EDIT: sorry about the punctuation, alot of it is exactly as is on the posting message!

 

[17thRecceSgt]

alright, that makes a bit more sence, only thing is my posting message doesnt have the "IC" only TCP..
says, to be granted rank of pte IPC3 after bmq,serial iaw ref c. (whatever that means), ummm QL3(p)  (provisional status removed after conversion course @ CFSEME)
then, further on it has:
TCP 74 days, regardless of tcp on enrol, progression to next higher substantive rnk will be date mbr meets all prerequisites of cfao 49-4 and is selected from merit board if promotion is to other than corporal...

i dunno if that clears anything up, does that just mean that there is 291 days to the next rank, or 3 years and 291 days? these posting messages are code or something i swear...

Dude, you are gonna get slammed here soon for bad grammar, punctuation and that sort of stuff. 

 

[wotan]

MRM is right, you have to learn how to type and compose a paragraph.

At any rate, as you have been granted 74 days TCP, you are eligible for promotion to Cpl from Pte in 3 years 294 days from your date enrolment, less any LWOP (Leave Without Pay) you may have been granted on enrolment.

If your ETP Instr doesn't mention IC (Incentive Credit) then you haven't been granted any, however there should have been a statement such as IC:  NIL.  From what I can ascertain from your statements about your ETP Instr, it would seem that you are to be paid as Pte IPC 1 until you complete BMQ trg, at which time your pay will be increased to Pte IPC 3.  This is a little odd, but not beyond the bounds of possibility.  As well, this would explain why there is no mention of IC, as, since you would attain IPC 3 on completion of BMQ and as there is no IPC 4 for Pte, there would be no point in granting IC.

Your trade qualification (QL3P) is another completely separate issue.  From what you are telling me of your ETP Instr is that you have been granted status as a QL3 provisionally and that the provisional status will be removed once you successfully complete conversion trg at CFSEME. 

Hope this helps and clarifies what you have been granted and what you are entiteld to.

As a point of note for all folks enrolling in or transferring to the Reg F, make sure the CFRC staff clearly explains to you what you are being offered before you sign on.  You are making a commitment to the CF and that is taken very seriously by the chain of comd.  The least that should be extended to you in return is for you to have to the opportunity to make an informed decision as to whether or not you actually want to make such a commitment.  That means, understand what is being offered to you in terms of pay, rank, trade qualifications and rank qualifications.  Because, if it ain't on your ETP Instr, it don't exist.

 

[Towards_the_gap]

Hello all,

I'm got the same question as the original poster, although my situation is different. And I would ask the careers office but I am in Austria at the moment, and it's the weekend!

I am transferring from the British Army to the CF, and received my offer today. Now, I understand everything it said about trade qualifications, but the VIE/TCP bits didn't quite make sense, and although the answers above somewhat cleared it up, it's still not answered my question fully.

What my offer states is:
1. Suitable to enrol as Pte (T) QL3 (P) upon completion of PO's........All that I understand.
2. A IPC 3 IC Nil (pay category 3, no incentive, correct???)
    B VIE 5 Years (is this my first contract period?)
    C TCP 2 Yrs 278 days. Regardless of TCP granted on enrolment, progression to next higher substantive rank will be date Mbr meets all pre-requisites of CFAO 49-4 and selected from a merit list when promotion is to rank other than Cpl. (What exactly does this mean??)

Sorry if this tests anyones patience, I tried searching and this is the closest I got to understanding what it all said.

Thanks in advance as well!

Ed

 

[d_edwards]

I have had a similar question. And was always curious wether I had been treated right.  I had transferred from the reserves on march 21 1989,  and was granted IPC 2 and 127 days of pfps.  On my MPRR it states that On Oct.12, 1990. I was granted QL 5a.  As I was approaching the end of my 3rd incentive I enquired if I was to be promoted to cpl  or held at IPC 3.  Well I was held at IPC 3 untill 20 Jan 1993.  Really didnt seem right, but I was young and too afraid of "winning the battle..losing the war" and let it ride......I wonder If I was treated right and if it is too late to be compensated.  It really hurt my pay back then because when I did get promtoted, they froze the incentive pay for a  couple   years.  I went from basic to IPC 4.

 

[PO2FinClk]

It all depended on your enrollment message and terms which you accepted on enrollment.

Seeing as you are inquiring about issues from 14 years ago, you would need to dig up your old Pers File, look at all the messages. You would also need to dig up any possible enrollment programs of the time under which semi-skilled pers could be enrolled. Lastly you would need to compare it to the promotion policies in effect at the time.

You cannot compare your situation to that of todays based on new intiatives for semi-skilled pers.