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RCAF Col Jeremey Hansen to orbit the moon in 2024

No, I want the 30 seconds news program to use the right terminology to describe their current trajectory, after the TLI:
  • not "they've left earth orbit" which is incorrect, they never do
  • to "they've left LOW earth orbit" which is correct

And, actually OldGateBoatDriver (by the way, I'm not arguing, I'm being pedantic):

Their current (post TLI) trajectory is an elliptical orbit around the earth, perturbed by every other body in the universe (the largest being, obviously, the moon). All the other ellipses you described (except the tranistion to the moon being the primary gravity well) are the results of burns. At the point the moon becomes the primary gravity well the orbit will become an ellipse around the moon, perturbed by all other bodies. At this point they will be part of the moon / Artemis system, itself orbitting the earth (on an elliptical path, perturbed by all other celestial bodies).

As well, they won't past through L1, they'll pass by it. They will be well ahead of the straight line between the earth and moon wrt the moon's orbit.

But the point is, at no point do they reach earth escape velocity; their TLI is deliberately kept just below that so that in any case they will return to the earth (unless their orbit intersects that of the moon) and don't need to have a moon "slingshot" (although I think, in the case fo Artemis 2, they are using it to get back quicker). It's kept "just" below so that it is the fastest transfer orbit without being above escape.

Maybe, however, organizations like the BBC should reinforce that, in space, everything is always orbitting everything else, and never "just drifting." That is basic science, and might be a simple way for lay people to understand the physics. Because I find it incredibly dismissive when people say "it's physics and math" as if those things are some magical panecea, and I could see contributing to a "rise in anti-intellectualism."

And know I'm thinking out loud. Even if you somehow come to a full stop wrt the object your orbitting, in which case you will immediately fall towards it, you are still orbitting it. It's just that your tangential velocity is now zero, and the ellipse has flattened to a line, with the invariable result that you will crash into it. But the physics and math is elegant, not mystical.

Another thought bubble: my oldest son did the IB program, and they did a really good ob of linking subjects. So, for a simplified example, at the same time they discussed orbits in physics, they did calculus in math , and studied the Principaia (sp?) in english. To me, everyone should have the opportunity to do that, to understand how elegant the world we live in is (outside of human failings).

/pendant


Should I take the lesson from these comments that I'm not only a nerd, and at times pedantic, but I'm also an asshole? I do often wonder if my means of engaging is just as much of a problem as the other's I've described. They've also been known to take a lot out of me.

Maybe the times I've decided to disengage are indicative of what I should do permanently. I am feeling really mad at the world lately, and yes, it has surfaced in my interactions.
If you really want your mind blown, consider that the Moon is not actually orbitting the Earth. It actually orbits the Sun, but Earth’s gravity causes it to move in a helical pattern, where the Moon and the Earth just swap positions around a fixed point in space that describes the average of the mass of two bodies…
 
If you really want your mind blown, consider that the Moon is not actually orbitting the Earth. It actually orbits the Sun, but Earth’s gravity causes it to move in a helical pattern, where the Moon and the Earth just swap positions around a fixed point in space that describes the average of the mass of two bodies…

Math Reaction GIF by IFHT Films
 
If you really want your mind blown, consider that the Moon is not actually orbitting the Earth. It actually orbits the Sun, but Earth’s gravity causes it to move in a helical pattern, where the Moon and the Earth just swap positions around a fixed point in space that describes the average of the mass of two bodies…
Well hell, let’s just go right back to this:
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and:

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So everything is attracted to everything, and any given bodies acceleration is those forces summed divided by it’s math.

But to do that over time you’d need a special kind of math. One that allows you to derive and integrate equations of motion. I wonder how Newton did that?

But I prefer to think of it as everything orbits everything. I mean you could say the earth is orbiting Artemis 2 and it wouldn’t be incorrect (intentional double negative).

Or to lighten things up, you could set your frame of reference to the Skydome, and say everything orbits Toronto, because they are the center of the universe. And you wouldn’t be incorrect.
 
Yep- we could expand it beyond our own Solar system. The Earth actually orbits the blackhole at the galactic centre.

But, by convention, things are said to orbit the closest big object that they are most gravitationally influenced by.
 
If you really want your mind blown, consider that the Moon is not actually orbitting the Earth. It actually orbits the Sun, but Earth’s gravity causes it to move in a helical pattern, where the Moon and the Earth just swap positions around a fixed point in space that describes the average of the mass of two bodies…
For as much as the Sun is smoking outwards through the Milky Way. 😉
 
If you really want your mind blown, consider that the Moon is not actually orbitting the Earth. It actually orbits the Sun, but Earth’s gravity causes it to move in a helical pattern, where the Moon and the Earth just swap positions around a fixed point in space that describes the average of the mass of two bodies…
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But I prefer to think of it as everything orbits everything. I mean you could say the earth is orbiting Artemis 2 and it wouldn’t be incorrect (intentional double negative).

Which leads us right to Scotty's equation for trans-warp beaming:

"Imagine that, it never occured to me to make the whole universe move while the target stands still"
 
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