RCMP Charges CAF Members For Trying to Start Anti- Government Group- July 08/ 2025

[MilEME09]

Perhaps the simple answer instead of some DLN course (I know, heresy!) is to simply add a psych eval as part of the medical to potentially screen these individuals out from potential promotion.

 

[Haggis]

There was also a Commissionaire who was murdered in Quebec when some of the troops broke into the armoury at night to steal weapons for a FLQ related group.

I recall it was an inside job. The Armoury alarm system was being serviced so a Commissionaire was on duty for the one night the system was off-line and that's when the robbery and murder occurred.

 

[FJAG]

Perhaps the simple answer instead of some DLN course (I know, heresy!) is to simply add a psych eval as part of the medical to potentially screen these individuals out from potential promotion.

And slow down the recruiting process to 18 months?

 

[dapaterson]

Perhaps the simple answer instead of some DLN course (I know, heresy!) is to simply add a psych eval as part of the medical to potentially screen these individuals out from potential promotion.

Question 1:

Should you conspire to overthrow the government?

a) No

b) Yes

c) Dude, I'm a Call of Duty Legend

 

[MilEME09]

And slow down the recruiting process to 18 months?

recruiting? no, there is already an interview, im sure we can modify certain questions for that. I am talking about the medical CAF members get every 5 years (2 if over 40)

 

[The Bread Guy]

Perhaps the simple answer instead of some DLN course (I know, heresy!) is to simply add a psych eval as part of the medical to potentially screen these individuals out from potential promotion.

Tough call - I can't find any reliable tests that "catch" potential extremists in a mass military recruiting setting. Very early days, but here's some markers being looked at VERY broadly ...

The 4 psychological markers of ideological extremism

What do Coke bottles, thrill-seeking, and a shrunken prefrontal cortex have in common? They all help explain extremist ideologies.

bigthink.com

... with these markers being considered for ALL kinds of ideological extremism.

 

[brihard]

A reality too is that ideological shifts happen over time, often triggered or catalyzed by events subsequent to recruitment. Another reality is that that happens to most if not all of us; a change in ideological beliefs is just that. Most of us will have our views evolve over time to some greater or lesser extent.

In rare cases, one’s ideology may change to the point of radicalization. There may or may not be many externally visible signs of that.

In much rarer cases still, someone’s radicalization may get to the point of violent extremism.

Recognizing where, along this path, someone becomes a security threat, and then a threat of criminal violence, is often not easy and is the challenge facing our national security infrastructure.

 

[Haggis]

According to this RCMP spokesperson, harbouring "traditional" values can lead you towards being an extremist.

 

[brihard]

According to this RCMP spokesperson, harbouring "traditional" values can lead you towards being an extremist.

No; according to that RCMP spokesperson, a sudden shift towards that from previous more open views, in the context of greater isolation and a broader shift in expressed opinions can be an indicator of that trend. She’s talking about what sorts of behavioural changes might be observable if someone undergoes an ideological shift that could be a red flag.

She didn’t identify which ‘traditional values’ she’s speaking of. Would you disagree with her words if they were all the exact same words, but you knew that the ‘traditional values’ in question were those of, say, Islam? Because that’s exactly a part of the radicalization pathway that’s happened several times in Canada. It’s also a trend that’s currently observable in the white supremacist space to those paying attention to that.

 

[The Bread Guy]

According to this RCMP spokesperson, harbouring "traditional" values can lead you towards being an extremist.

The quote I’m reading in the Western Standard (hardly a woke MSM outlet) ...

WATCH: RCMP officer calls ‘traditional values’ a sign of ‘extremism’

A senior RCMP officer says moving away from liberal ideas toward “traditional values” can show the start of violent extremism, touching off controversy after four Quebecers were charged with terrorism on Tuesday.

www.westernstandard.news

... is this (highlights mine):

“If someone … believed in equal gender rights, but all of a sudden [starts] leaning towards traditional values, that might be a sign they’re becoming more extremist.”

Also here https://archive.is/NA6nj

 

[KevinB]

No; according to that RCMP spokesperson, a sudden shift towards that from previous more open views, in the context of greater isolation and a broader shift in expressed opinions can be an indicator of that trend. She’s talking about what sorts of behavioural changes might be observable if someone undergoes an ideological shift that could be a red flag.

She didn’t identify which ‘traditional values’ she’s speaking of. Would you disagree with her words if they were all the exact same words, but you knew that the ‘traditional values’ in question were those of, say, Islam? Because that’s exactly a part of the radicalization pathway that’s happened several times in Canada. It’s also a trend that’s currently observable in the white supremacist space to those paying attention to that.

She did a shit job, IMHO.
With the acceptance that the topic is a steaming pile and a hand grenade wrapping up in it


Personally I’m left with WTF are ‘Traditional Values’?
Values from the 20th century, the 19th century, the 4th century???

 

[Jarnhamar]

The context of the discussion was extremism in the CAF and arrests of the "anti-authority" dudes in Quebec.

Given the language by the government over the last 10 years it's not surprising people making the assumptions they are about what she meant by traditional values. I think her first language is french and she's just mixing her words up.

It seems like she realized it and tried to recover talking about it being okay to have whatever beliefs you want as long as you're not violent.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The context of the discussion was extremism in the CAF and arrests of the "anti-authority" dudes in Quebec.

Given the language by the government over the last 10 years it's not surprising people making the assumptions they are about what she meant by traditional values. I think her first language is french and she's just mixing her words up.

It seems like she realized it and tried to recover talking about it being okay to have whatever beliefs you want as long as you're not violent.

No land acknowledgement at the start is definitely going to be a career limiting move though

 

[brihard]

The context of the discussion was extremism in the CAF and arrests of the "anti-authority" dudes in Quebec.

Given the language by the government over the last 10 years it's not surprising people making the assumptions they are about what she meant by traditional values. I think her first language is french and she's just mixing her words up.

It seems like she realized it and tried to recover talking about it being okay to have whatever beliefs you want as long as you're not violent.

That’s probably part of it, yeah.

 

[markppcli]

The context of the discussion was extremism in the CAF and arrests of the "anti-authority" dudes in Quebec.

Given the language by the government over the last 10 years it's not surprising people making the assumptions they are about what she meant by traditional values. I think her first language is french and she's just mixing her words up.

It seems like she realized it and tried to recover talking about it being okay to have whatever beliefs you want as long as you're not violent.

Or, just maybe, it was a really easy clip to turn into click generating outrage farm content.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

A reality too is that ideological shifts happen over time, often triggered or catalyzed by events subsequent to recruitment. Another reality is that that happens to most if not all of us; a change in ideological beliefs is just that. Most of us will have our views evolve over time to some greater or lesser extent.

In rare cases, one’s ideology may change to the point of radicalization. There may or may not be many externally visible signs of that.

In much rarer cases still, someone’s radicalization may get to the point of violent extremism.

Recognizing where, along this path, someone becomes a security threat, and then a threat of criminal violence, is often not easy and is the challenge facing our national security infrastructure.

‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.’

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I think the SSgt being misquoted was speaking to it being more the hard turn towards absolutist beliefs (be them "traditional values" or strict adherence to religious dogma) being a red flag.

I saw my son moving towards the "1950s traditional gender roles were superior, women should serve men" crowd after a rather egalitarian approach from his mother and I in his upbringing. Turns out his friends were elbow deep into Andrew Tate and the Incel "having attraction towards women is gay" crowd.

I gave him an education into how propaganda works and how radicalization happens. I also told him that that crowd's "example" is not the one I modeled to him, nor one I will except from him, and that he will treat women with the reverence they deserve.

His mother was far less... understanding. There were threats of castrating him in his sleep herself if she ever hears him spout that shit ever again. And if his potential future partners were ever to be mistreated due this "ideaology" resurfacing, Well he'd find out why mens' life expectancy went up after divorce was legalized. Apparently "went out for milk and never came back" didn't mean what we thought it did...

Hasn't been an issue ever since.

 

[Blackadder1916]

I saw my son moving towards the "1950s traditional gender roles were superior, women should serve men" crowd after a rather egalitarian approach from his mother and I in his upbringing. Turns out his friends were elbow deep into Andrew Tate and the Incel "having attraction towards women is gay" crowd.

Apparently not an unusual occurrence.

Boys are adopting Andrew Tate's misogynistic views — and bringing them to class, study finds

Teachers worry the rise in Tate-inspired misogynistic rhetoric will lead to "tangible safety threats" in schools, the researchers wrote

nationalpost.com

 

[Eaglelord17]

I think the SSgt being misquoted was speaking to it being more the hard turn towards absolutist beliefs (be them "traditional values" or strict adherence to religious dogma) being a red flag.

I saw my son moving towards the "1950s traditional gender roles were superior, women should serve men" crowd after a rather egalitarian approach from his mother and I in his upbringing. Turns out his friends were elbow deep into Andrew Tate and the Incel "having attraction towards women is gay" crowd.

I gave him an education into how propaganda works and how radicalization happens. I also told him that that crowd's "example" is not the one I modeled to him, nor one I will except from him, and that he will treat women with the reverence they deserve.

His mother was far less... understanding. There were threats of castrating him in his sleep herself if she ever hears him spout that shit ever again. And if his potential future partners were ever to be mistreated due this "ideaology" resurfacing, Well he'd find out why mens' life expectancy went up after divorce was legalized. Apparently "went out for milk and never came back" didn't mean what we thought it did...

Hasn't been an issue ever since.

There is 100% a issue with radicalization of young men, that being said there is also a issue with the radicalization of young women as well.

There are plenty of young women out there who treat men not as equals but as lesser than who do not get called out on it (or alternatively are encouraged in it). Both sexes are generally being failed in being taught how to treat each other.

I am of the opinion that this 'resurgence' of garbage like Andrew Tate is more a reaction than the cause. As much as most people will spout off about equality and such, most aren't actually supporters of it.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I think the SSgt being misquoted was speaking to it being more the hard turn towards absolutist beliefs (be them "traditional values" or strict adherence to religious dogma) being a red flag.

I saw my son moving towards the "1950s traditional gender roles were superior, women should serve men" crowd after a rather egalitarian approach from his mother and I in his upbringing. Turns out his friends were elbow deep into Andrew Tate and the Incel "having attraction towards women is gay" crowd.

That's a better, more specific example of "before vs. after" I think she was talking about, too. Good to hear it got sorted in your case.

... I am of the opinion that this 'resurgence' of garbage like Andrew Tate is more a reaction than the cause. As much as most people will spout off about equality and such, most aren't actually supporters of it.

A bit of chicken and egg, though. Some people who may not have gone over the radicalization line, so to speak, now have a bit more fuel with the Tates and the like of our modern media world.

Stir that up with social media that makes it easy to end up down rabbit holes of choice - hell, the algorithms'll be more than happy to help suck one in and keep you in zones of only stuff that reinforces whatever you're thinking ...

Like addictions and mental illness, lotsa different stuff contributing, so lotsa moving parts to fix at once - not always simple or easy.