Guessing here but i guess a Carny gvt could act on this or at the very least campaign on it
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Guessing here but i guess a Carny gvt could act on this or at the very least campaign on it
Halifax Tar
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Interesting.
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He says that he has been “trying” to do this for the last nine years.
Right.
Right.
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I'll come out as a fan of 'fewer/larger' vs 'more/smaller'. Large organizations can keep lots of balls in the air; they just need to be managed and funded properly. Toronto police, just as an example, provides services from parking enforcement to homicide, just in a tighter geographic area. I've not lived in an area where the RCMP is the service of jurisdiction but I understand in many areas their relationship with the local communities isn't great. That is changeable.
All police services are facing staffing and recruiting challenges. I'm not sure how creating more employers would solve that.
All police services are facing staffing and recruiting challenges. I'm not sure how creating more employers would solve that.
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In the 'too little, too late' category...
"I have been trying to do this since the very beginning. So this isn't me trying to jam something out the door," he said, when asked about the timing of the proposal.
"This is me realizing that we're at a moment where we have to bring Canadians, all Canadians, into this conversation."
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Suspicious on the timing. Just as he is leaving.....
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Or for context the town I'm in is known as a "training" town so we get a huge number of new RCMP members...usually on their first posting...with an average time in the area less than 2 years. While some senior staff has stuck around the average member is here so little time that they have limited opportunities to do anything within the community and frankly most don't even learn the names of the local main roads before getting posted out...it's the TransCanada highway corridor pavement that gets their priorities. To see an RCMP cruiser on gravel is a rare event...but that's where most rural residences/industry concerns sit. And to be fair to the RCMP the caseload per officer is extremely high due to the TransCanada highway corridor/warrents/drugs/crime to the point the next posting is often viewed as a relief.
There has been multiple members who would have preferred to stick around longer but it's "posting season" and they're either posted out or resign. And then the community is dealing with a new replacement yet again.
I instead think of F&W/CO's who tend to be posted to a community they bid upon when open. Spend some time there and then transfer when either they want a new location and/or promotion points. But more importantly get to know people, local issues, and build trust. And if you're in the situation where as one former officer described "I looked around the hockey dressing room and realized I'd professionally dealt with half the players on the ice"...you transfer to keep work/private lives separate.
Instead of cancelling the RCMP local role outright I instead have to think that by adjusting the posting rules for local detachment work the RCMP might be able to reduce the churn/retention issues facing their organization and improve community service.
Not yet.
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It will be interesting to see how the white paper might contradict their new strategic plan instead of, you know, complementing it in some way
The RCMP offers renowned services that include, but are not limited to:
- conducting federal policing activities in every province and territory in Canada, as well as internationally
- providing specialized policing services to the RCMP and law enforcement across the country through training and cutting-edge forensic work
- leading policing services in diverse environments
- delivering professional and responsive internal services that enable and support frontline operations
The white paper isn’t coming from the RCMP. The RCMP’s internal strategic planning would be based of their current direction from governments, not based on a white paper of a hypothetical future structure. If they’re federal government were to decide, for instance, that the RCMP will extricate itself from contract policing by 2035, that would become part of the next round of strategic planning.It will be interesting to see how the white paper might contradict their new strategic plan instead of, you know, complementing it in some way
The RCMP offers renowned services that include, but are not limited to:
- conducting federal policing activities in every province and territory in Canada, as well as internationally
- providing specialized policing services to the RCMP and law enforcement across the country through training and cutting-edge forensic work
- leading policing services in diverse environments
- delivering professional and responsive internal services that enable and support frontline operations
It’s like if the government published a new defence white paper, and you were asking if it complemented the Army’s existing strategic plans… No, it would shape policy that, if enacted, would supersede prior departmental level strat planning.
Also I can’t wait for @RedFive to finish his second can of white monster and his tin of Zyn and tell us his thoughts.
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Agreed, which is why White Papers usually come out before brand new strategic plans.
This looks a little 'back asswards', as per SOP
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I challenge the factual basis of your comments.
There's no way he only has two cans of white monster.
I said ‘finish his second can’. I was talking about consumption, not inventory. Remember it’s only 10:30 out there.
Agreed, which is why White Papers usually come out before brand new strategic plans.
This looks a little 'back asswards', as per SOP
Probably they didn’t know it was coming.
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Only two by 1030 again is improbable.
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Whew, where to start?
First of all, you guys must have a mole in my office. My penchant for caffeine that's cold and in a can has been laid bare, and my efforts to quit chew with nicotine pouches is downright depressing at times... I digress.
I find the soon to be former Prime Minister's assertion that "I have been trying to do this since the very beginning. So this isn't me trying to jam something out the door," he said, when questioned about the timing of the proposal.
"This is me realizing that we're at a moment where we have to bring Canadians, all Canadians, into this conversation." insulting.
I'm pretty sure he actually spent most of his time speaking on the topic of the RCMP by calling us racists, bigots and an institution unsuited to modern policing. He even got the Commissioner before the current one to tell a parliamentary committee as much. So his above claims come as breathtaking news to me. He had nine years and change to make this happen, he didn't.
As far as the actual functional changes to the RCMP? There's lots to look at and consider here, but I'll limit myself to the couple things that immediately jump forward in my mind, and let the discussion go where it may.
I've said a couple times, on this forum, that the RCMP needs to limit if not abandon contract policing. I've suggested population caps above which the RCMP will no longer police the jurisdiction, as well as wholesale backing out and letting the Provinces figure it out. This would be a painful exercise for the RCMP, and every jurisdiction we police. There would have to be some sort of Federal money thrown at the places we were leaving, or the level of service would drop to dangerous levels.
If we do back out of contract in a limited or complete way, what are we still going to do? Federal policing obviously, but what else? Air Services? Forensic Identification? Police Dog Services? The Territories? Lots of these are specialty, high expense items the places we police won't be able to afford. In what way is Federal money going to be made available to assist these new police forces? Perhaps exclusively specialty support services? Would be an awful lot of back room politicking to sort that mess out.
What shape does Federal policing then take? Is the money actually going to be made available to retain members, form units, and do the work? I would like to think so, but there's an awful lot of vacancies in my local FSOC units and filling them would cost a lot of money the Feds have very much enjoyed not spending for the last 8 years of my career.
Finally, what becomes of the members? Who gets to stay, and who gets told to apply to our replacement forces? We wouldn't have room for everybody, even with the most generous expansion of Federal policing. How is that going to be done? Rank? Service level? The competency profile? Favourtism? The 'ol Mountie dogpile?
At the end of the day, to me, its all about the money. And nothing will happen quickly.
First of all, you guys must have a mole in my office. My penchant for caffeine that's cold and in a can has been laid bare, and my efforts to quit chew with nicotine pouches is downright depressing at times... I digress.
I find the soon to be former Prime Minister's assertion that "I have been trying to do this since the very beginning. So this isn't me trying to jam something out the door," he said, when questioned about the timing of the proposal.
"This is me realizing that we're at a moment where we have to bring Canadians, all Canadians, into this conversation." insulting.
I'm pretty sure he actually spent most of his time speaking on the topic of the RCMP by calling us racists, bigots and an institution unsuited to modern policing. He even got the Commissioner before the current one to tell a parliamentary committee as much. So his above claims come as breathtaking news to me. He had nine years and change to make this happen, he didn't.
As far as the actual functional changes to the RCMP? There's lots to look at and consider here, but I'll limit myself to the couple things that immediately jump forward in my mind, and let the discussion go where it may.
I've said a couple times, on this forum, that the RCMP needs to limit if not abandon contract policing. I've suggested population caps above which the RCMP will no longer police the jurisdiction, as well as wholesale backing out and letting the Provinces figure it out. This would be a painful exercise for the RCMP, and every jurisdiction we police. There would have to be some sort of Federal money thrown at the places we were leaving, or the level of service would drop to dangerous levels.
If we do back out of contract in a limited or complete way, what are we still going to do? Federal policing obviously, but what else? Air Services? Forensic Identification? Police Dog Services? The Territories? Lots of these are specialty, high expense items the places we police won't be able to afford. In what way is Federal money going to be made available to assist these new police forces? Perhaps exclusively specialty support services? Would be an awful lot of back room politicking to sort that mess out.
What shape does Federal policing then take? Is the money actually going to be made available to retain members, form units, and do the work? I would like to think so, but there's an awful lot of vacancies in my local FSOC units and filling them would cost a lot of money the Feds have very much enjoyed not spending for the last 8 years of my career.
Finally, what becomes of the members? Who gets to stay, and who gets told to apply to our replacement forces? We wouldn't have room for everybody, even with the most generous expansion of Federal policing. How is that going to be done? Rank? Service level? The competency profile? Favourtism? The 'ol Mountie dogpile?
At the end of the day, to me, its all about the money. And nothing will happen quickly.
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