Re: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield

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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:46:00 -0500
Fail to prepare...prepare to fail?
But yes, you‘re right om most of your comments otherwise...okay, damn it..as
usual...but you have to take the "worst case" scenario, or you are cooled,
dead, and sliced meat...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Oleary"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:31 AM
Subject: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
> First you would have to define the "modern" battlefield. Why Must we start
> with a presumption that every war will consist of sweeping manoeuvre by
> heavy armoured forces with ATGM, attack hels and fast air?
>
> There are still a lot of terrain where you cannot take these things and
> fight effectively - like jungle, urban terrain especially within large
> buildings and underground infrastructure, mountainous country, etc.
>
> When you just can‘t take or sustain the heavy and ultra-high tech - "who
ya
> gonna call?"
>
> The grunts - transported by boot, supported by light systems like machine
> guns, mortars and airportable guns please, no diatribes about how the
> griffon won‘t carry the LG1 far, that‘s beside the point.
>
> Light infantry doesn‘t usually get sent out to fight heavy/mech forces -
> that‘s just dumb tactics when there‘s any other options. And when it is
> necessary, the light forces are positioned where the advantages of the
heavy
> guys are minimized. Light infantry forces usually fight similar forces on
> terrain where other assets are defeated by the terrain conditions.
>
> Mike
>
> The Regimental Rogue
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: The Regiments
>
>
> > I wish I knew all this stuff.
> > So, please no one be offended! Can you see a real use for traditional
> Light
> > infantry in the modern battlefield?
> > And can someone say how a regular infantier fights when with a heavy
> infanry,
> > or mechanised unit?
> > Thanks,
> > -Matt B.
>
>
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:54:04 -0700
I don‘t remember whether I posted it or not, but IIRC earlier this year a
British armd unit in Kosovo formerly a cavalry regiment, pre WW2 employed
a "mounted" troop that‘s with real HORSES so they could reach rugged
terrain that tracked and wheeled AFVs and the like could not. I think the
last army to try horses on the open plains were the Poles in 1939 and we all
know the results, but once in a while there is a need for creative
anachronisms if that‘s the correct term hey, bring back The Canadian
Mounted Rifles!! :
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Oleary
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:31 PM
Subject: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
> First you would have to define the "modern" battlefield. Why Must we start
> with a presumption that every war will consist of sweeping manoeuvre by
> heavy armoured forces with ATGM, attack hels and fast air?
>
> There are still a lot of terrain where you cannot take these things and
> fight effectively - like jungle, urban terrain especially within large
> buildings and underground infrastructure, mountainous country, etc.
>
> When you just can‘t take or sustain the heavy and ultra-high tech - "who
ya
> gonna call?"
>
> The grunts - transported by boot, supported by light systems like machine
> guns, mortars and airportable guns please, no diatribes about how the
> griffon won‘t carry the LG1 far, that‘s beside the point.
>
> Light infantry doesn‘t usually get sent out to fight heavy/mech forces -
> that‘s just dumb tactics when there‘s any other options. And when it is
> necessary, the light forces are positioned where the advantages of the
heavy
> guys are minimized. Light infantry forces usually fight similar forces on
> terrain where other assets are defeated by the terrain conditions.
>
> Mike
>
> The Regimental Rogue
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: The Regiments
>
>
> > I wish I knew all this stuff.
> > So, please no one be offended! Can you see a real use for traditional
> Light
> > infantry in the modern battlefield?
> > And can someone say how a regular infantier fights when with a heavy
> infanry,
> > or mechanised unit?
> > Thanks,
> > -Matt B.
>
>
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Posted by DHall058@aol.com on Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:25:56 EST
Ian, the important question is...Were they issued sabers? Garryowen!
Dave Hall
In a message dated Thu, 7 Dec 2000 3:08:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Ian Edwards" writes:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:31 PM
Subject: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
> First you would have to define the "modern" battlefield. Why Must we start
> with a presumption that every war will consist of sweeping manoeuvre by
> heavy armoured forces with ATGM, attack hels and fast air?
>
> There are still a lot of terrain where you cannot take these things and
> fight effectively - like jungle, urban terrain especially within large
> buildings and underground infrastructure, mountainous country, etc.
>
> When you just can‘t take or sustain the heavy and ultra-high tech - "who
ya
> gonna call?"
>
> The grunts - transported by boot, supported by light systems like machine
> guns, mortars and airportable guns please, no diatribes about how the
> griffon won‘t carry the LG1 far, that‘s beside the point.
>
> Light infantry doesn‘t usually get sent out to fight heavy/mech forces -
> that‘s just dumb tactics when there‘s any other options. And when it is
> necessary, the light forces are positioned where the advantages of the
heavy
> guys are minimized. Light infantry forces usually fight similar forces on
> terrain where other assets are defeated by the terrain conditions.
>
> Mike
>
> The Regimental Rogue
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: The Regiments
>
>
> > I wish I knew all this stuff.
> > So, please no one be offended! Can you see a real use for traditional
> Light
> > infantry in the modern battlefield?
> > And can someone say how a regular infantier fights when with a heavy
> infanry,
> > or mechanised unit?
> > Thanks,
> > -Matt B.
>
>
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:38:29 EST
Ok. That clears it up, then.
But, what I don‘t understand, is how do Heavy Inf. troops fight in combat as
opposed to Light Inf soldiers?
Is it just how they are transported?
Once again, no one get offended. I just want to soak up all the info I can
from those who know so I‘ll be ahead of the game when I hit basic
Thanks,
Matt B.
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:56:03 -0500
Note that the British cavalry regiments were only un-horsed in 1939 Source
Forward by General Sir John Hackett "Rude Mechanicals" by A J Smithers...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Edwards"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
> I don‘t remember whether I posted it or not, but IIRC earlier this year a
> British armd unit in Kosovo formerly a cavalry regiment, pre WW2
employed
> a "mounted" troop that‘s with real HORSES so they could reach rugged
> terrain that tracked and wheeled AFVs and the like could not. I think the
> last army to try horses on the open plains were the Poles in 1939 and we
all
> know the results, but once in a while there is a need for creative
> anachronisms if that‘s the correct term hey, bring back The Canadian
> Mounted Rifles!! :
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Oleary
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:31 PM
> Subject: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
>
>
> > First you would have to define the "modern" battlefield. Why Must we
start
> > with a presumption that every war will consist of sweeping manoeuvre by
> > heavy armoured forces with ATGM, attack hels and fast air?
> >
> > There are still a lot of terrain where you cannot take these things and
> > fight effectively - like jungle, urban terrain especially within large
> > buildings and underground infrastructure, mountainous country, etc.
> >
> > When you just can‘t take or sustain the heavy and ultra-high tech - "who
> ya
> > gonna call?"
> >
> > The grunts - transported by boot, supported by light systems like
machine
> > guns, mortars and airportable guns please, no diatribes about how the
> > griffon won‘t carry the LG1 far, that‘s beside the point.
> >
> > Light infantry doesn‘t usually get sent out to fight heavy/mech forces -
> > that‘s just dumb tactics when there‘s any other options. And when it is
> > necessary, the light forces are positioned where the advantages of the
> heavy
> > guys are minimized. Light infantry forces usually fight similar forces
on
> > terrain where other assets are defeated by the terrain conditions.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > The Regimental Rogue
> > http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> > 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: The Regiments
> >
> >
> > > I wish I knew all this stuff.
> > > So, please no one be offended! Can you see a real use for
traditional
> > Light
> > > infantry in the modern battlefield?
> > > And can someone say how a regular infantier fights when with a heavy
> > infanry,
> > > or mechanised unit?
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Matt B.
> >
> >
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Posted by "Harwood, Steve" <SHarwood@karmax.com> on Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:40:32 -0500
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Hey Dave Hall! The 2nd CMR was my great-uncle‘s old unit back in 1916-17.
Glad that someone out there mentioned the unit. If you have any websites on
either the 11th or 2nd CMR please let me know.
thanks,
Steve Harwood
-----Original Message-----
From: DHall058@aol.com [mailtoHall058@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:26 PM
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Re: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
Ian, the important question is...Were they issued sabers? Garryowen!
Dave Hall
In a message dated Thu, 7 Dec 2000 3:08:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Ian
Edwards" writes:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:31 PM
Subject: Light infantry on the "modern" battlefield
> First you would have to define the "modern" battlefield. Why Must we start
> with a presumption that every war will consist of sweeping manoeuvre by
> heavy armoured forces with ATGM, attack hels and fast air?
>
> There are still a lot of terrain where you cannot take these things and
> fight effectively - like jungle, urban terrain especially within large
> buildings and underground infrastructure, mountainous country, etc.
>
> When you just can‘t take or sustain the heavy and ultra-high tech - "who
ya
> gonna call?"
>
> The grunts - transported by boot, supported by light systems like machine
> guns, mortars and airportable guns please, no diatribes about how the
> griffon won‘t carry the LG1 far, that‘s beside the point.
>
> Light infantry doesn‘t usually get sent out to fight heavy/mech forces -
> that‘s just dumb tactics when there‘s any other options. And when it is
> necessary, the light forces are positioned where the advantages of the
heavy
> guys are minimized. Light infantry forces usually fight similar forces on
> terrain where other assets are defeated by the terrain conditions.
>
> Mike
>
> The Regimental Rogue
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: The Regiments
>
>
> > I wish I knew all this stuff.
> > So, please no one be offended! Can you see a real use for traditional
> Light
> > infantry in the modern battlefield?
> > And can someone say how a regular infantier fights when with a heavy
> infanry,
> > or mechanised unit?
> > Thanks,
> > -Matt B.
>
>
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RE: Light infantry on the quotmodernquot battlefield
Hey Dave Hall! The 2nd CMR was my great-uncle‘s
old unit back in 1916-17. Glad that someone out there mentioned
the unit. If you have any websites on either the 11th or 2nd CMR please
let me know.
thanks,
Steve Harwood
-----Original Message-----
From: DHall058@aol.com [mailtoHall058@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:26 PM
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Re: Light infantry on the
quotmodernquot battlefield
Ian, the important question is...Were they issued
sabers? Garryowen!
Dave Hall
In a message dated Thu, 7 Dec 2000 3:08:47 PM
Eastern Standard Time, quotIan Edwardsquot
ltiedwards@home.comgt writes:
ltlt I don‘t remember whether I posted it or not,
but IIRC earlier this year a
British armd unit in Kosovo formerly a cavalry
regiment, pre WW2 employed
a quotmountedquot troop that‘s with real
HORSES so they could reach rugged
terrain that tracked and wheeled AFVs and the like
could not. I think the
last army to try horses on the open plains were the
Poles in 1939 and we all
know the results, but once in a while there is a
need for creative
anachronisms if that‘s the correct term hey,
bring back The Canadian
Mounted Rifles!! :
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Oleary
ltm.oleary@ns.sympatico.cagt
To: ltarmy-list@CdnArmy.cagt
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:31 PM
Subject: Light infantry on the quotmodernquot
battlefield
gt First you would have to define the
quotmodernquot battlefield. Why Must we start
gt with a presumption that every war will consist
of sweeping manoeuvre by
gt heavy armoured forces with ATGM, attack hels
and fast air?
gt
gt There are still a lot of terrain where you
cannot take these things and
gt fight effectively - like jungle, urban terrain
especially within large
gt buildings and underground infrastructure,
mountainous country, etc.
gt
gt When you just can‘t take or sustain the heavy
and ultra-high tech - quotwho
ya
gt gonna call?quot
gt
gt The grunts - transported by boot, supported by
light systems like machine
gt guns, mortars and airportable guns please, no
diatribes about how the
gt griffon won‘t carry the LG1 far, that‘s beside
the point.
gt
gt Light infantry doesn‘t usually get sent out to
fight heavy/mech forces -
gt that‘s just dumb tactics when there‘s any other
options. And when it is
gt necessary, the light forces are positioned
where the advantages of the
heavy
gt guys are minimized. Light infantry forces
usually fight similar forces on
gt terrain where other assets are defeated by the
terrain conditions.
gt
gt Mike
gt
gt The Regimental Rogue
gt http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
gt 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
gt
gt ----- Original Message -----
gt From: ltJuno847627709@aol.comgt
gt To: ltarmy-list@CdnArmy.cagt
gt Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:42
PM
gt Subject: Re: The Regiments
gt
gt
gt gt I wish I knew all this stuff.
gt gt So, please no one be offended! Can you
see a real use for traditional
gt Light
gt gt infantry in the modern battlefield?
gt gt And can someone say how a regular
infantier fights when with a heavy
gt infanry,
gt gt or mechanised unit?
gt gt Thanks,
gt
gtn
bspn
bsp -Matt B.
gt
gt
gt
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