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Posted by Jay Paton <[email protected]> on 25 May 00 11:34:39 PDT
As much as I hate to admit it, it is because of the "Canadian Government"
compasion that a Chechyan or FLQdoesn‘t happen again. Do I think that they
are going about it the wrong way, **** yeah! It is just a bunch of idel chit
chat anyway.
Carl DINSDALE wrote:
While on the topic of dissident factions in Canada, does anyone else think
that the
political leaders in Quebec should be arrested and tried for Dissension and
possibly
Treason? These ongoing separation referendums are driving me around the bend.
I‘ll
bet the Chechyans would love a federal government that could be jerked around
as
much as ours is. Perhaps that‘s a poor comparison, but I can‘t imagine any
other
country on the face of the earth that would entertain a province or state‘s
desire
to separate and break up the country, and expect the feds to pay for it! I
agree
with Albert, it‘s time we all got down to the business of being Canadian,
period.
Imagine the strength we could have on a global scale if we didn‘t waste so
much time
and money with all this internal strife and bickering.
Carl
Albert King wrote:
> Dave Kennedy,
>
> In rely to your message on indian treaties.
>
> I reitterate my statement. Are we supposted to make the natives think that
their
> treaties last forever? The response should be no! This is the year 2000. It
> should be time to get over past mistakes and grow up a little bit. Treaties
> might of ment something 150 years ago, but in today‘s world they are
totally
> useless. What purpose do they serve? Native leaders fight so hard for
treaties
> because if they didn‘t there would be no purpose for native leaders. No
more
> power and money for them. Because then we would all just be Canadians and
we
> would all live in Canada. Indians can own private land, exercise rights to
free
> speech, vote, and live where ever they choose. We don‘t need treaties to
ensure
> they have enough gunpowder for winter, or adequate amounts of twine to
build
> their shelters. They can buy twine and gun powder at the corner store, like
any
> other Canadian.
>
> So if treaties don‘t exist to protect their basic human rights, then why
are
> they around. Some say that it‘s just. That they were here first. First of
all,
> natives didn‘t inhabit all of Canada. Nor did they have any sort of
national
> government. Before the Europeans came it was basically a bunch of tribes
roaming
> around, hunting and fighting other tribes. They felt that they owned all
the
> land, most likely because most natives had no permament settlements. Canada
is a
> overwhelemingly European decent population. We have a government and legal
> system based on European traditions and natives have to learn that we
aren‘t
> going anywhere. They have been duely compensated for our past mistakes and
then
> some, considering the technological advances brought to them.
>
> Natives are not, nor where they ever sovereign peoples. To be sovereigen
> requires a level of statehood to be achived and even prior to contact with
> Europeans they had not reached that goal by European standards. Indians are
not
> a nation, the European concept of a nation does not include tribal
communities.
> Unless we want to turn Canada into a modern day form of the Ottoman Empire.
> There can only be one political community in Canada at nation status, that‘s
the
> federal government. Provinces, cities, households, tribes, cultural groups,
> religious grouos are all subordinate and cannot be nations. Aboriginal‘s
cannot
> successfully exercise their "right" of self-government oin reserves because
time
> has showen that native government is riddled with corruption, difficulties
> stemming from the small size of the people they govern combined with an
overly
> ambitious agenda as well as a dependence on transfer payments. It‘s
wasteful
> familistic factionalism.
>
> When I say that treaties are being re-negotiated I also mean that in
Ontario
> natives argue that the current treaties mean different things then what
they
> accually say. They are reinterpretating them for more land and power.
Indians
> cannot ever be successful on their working solely off their own land base
for
> many reasons I won‘t go into here today.
>
> While I could sit and write many more pages about this topic I think you get
it.
> Treaties may have ment something many years ago, now they are stupid and if
> naitves want to be this petty about race then mabye we should take back our
> cars, computers, electricity, phones, fax machines, and modern clothing. Two
can
> play at this game.
>
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As much as I hate to admit it, it is because of the "Canadian Government"
compasion that a Chechyan or FLQdoesn‘t happen again. Do I think that they
are going about it the wrong way, **** yeah! It is just a bunch of idel chit
chat anyway.
Carl DINSDALE wrote:
While on the topic of dissident factions in Canada, does anyone else think
that the
political leaders in Quebec should be arrested and tried for Dissension and
possibly
Treason? These ongoing separation referendums are driving me around the bend.
I‘ll
bet the Chechyans would love a federal government that could be jerked around
as
much as ours is. Perhaps that‘s a poor comparison, but I can‘t imagine any
other
country on the face of the earth that would entertain a province or state‘s
desire
to separate and break up the country, and expect the feds to pay for it! I
agree
with Albert, it‘s time we all got down to the business of being Canadian,
period.
Imagine the strength we could have on a global scale if we didn‘t waste so
much time
and money with all this internal strife and bickering.
Carl
Albert King wrote:
> Dave Kennedy,
>
> In rely to your message on indian treaties.
>
> I reitterate my statement. Are we supposted to make the natives think that
their
> treaties last forever? The response should be no! This is the year 2000. It
> should be time to get over past mistakes and grow up a little bit. Treaties
> might of ment something 150 years ago, but in today‘s world they are
totally
> useless. What purpose do they serve? Native leaders fight so hard for
treaties
> because if they didn‘t there would be no purpose for native leaders. No
more
> power and money for them. Because then we would all just be Canadians and
we
> would all live in Canada. Indians can own private land, exercise rights to
free
> speech, vote, and live where ever they choose. We don‘t need treaties to
ensure
> they have enough gunpowder for winter, or adequate amounts of twine to
build
> their shelters. They can buy twine and gun powder at the corner store, like
any
> other Canadian.
>
> So if treaties don‘t exist to protect their basic human rights, then why
are
> they around. Some say that it‘s just. That they were here first. First of
all,
> natives didn‘t inhabit all of Canada. Nor did they have any sort of
national
> government. Before the Europeans came it was basically a bunch of tribes
roaming
> around, hunting and fighting other tribes. They felt that they owned all
the
> land, most likely because most natives had no permament settlements. Canada
is a
> overwhelemingly European decent population. We have a government and legal
> system based on European traditions and natives have to learn that we
aren‘t
> going anywhere. They have been duely compensated for our past mistakes and
then
> some, considering the technological advances brought to them.
>
> Natives are not, nor where they ever sovereign peoples. To be sovereigen
> requires a level of statehood to be achived and even prior to contact with
> Europeans they had not reached that goal by European standards. Indians are
not
> a nation, the European concept of a nation does not include tribal
communities.
> Unless we want to turn Canada into a modern day form of the Ottoman Empire.
> There can only be one political community in Canada at nation status, that‘s
the
> federal government. Provinces, cities, households, tribes, cultural groups,
> religious grouos are all subordinate and cannot be nations. Aboriginal‘s
cannot
> successfully exercise their "right" of self-government oin reserves because
time
> has showen that native government is riddled with corruption, difficulties
> stemming from the small size of the people they govern combined with an
overly
> ambitious agenda as well as a dependence on transfer payments. It‘s
wasteful
> familistic factionalism.
>
> When I say that treaties are being re-negotiated I also mean that in
Ontario
> natives argue that the current treaties mean different things then what
they
> accually say. They are reinterpretating them for more land and power.
Indians
> cannot ever be successful on their working solely off their own land base
for
> many reasons I won‘t go into here today.
>
> While I could sit and write many more pages about this topic I think you get
it.
> Treaties may have ment something many years ago, now they are stupid and if
> naitves want to be this petty about race then mabye we should take back our
> cars, computers, electricity, phones, fax machines, and modern clothing. Two
can
> play at this game.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
> to [email protected] from the account you wish
> to remove, with the line "unsubscribe army" in the
> message body.
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