Recce Doctrine

[Fishbone Jones]

The armoured branch is in the process of updateing/ rewriting the recce doctrine. One school of thought is to put the reg force with the coyote surv pkg in that specific role. Along with that, the reserve recce regts will finally be provided with a clearly defined role of their own, being mud recce, in the new mil pattern LUVW. Personally, I think this finally makes sense. In that, the logistics of training reservists to the complete coyote package, in quantity enough to make a difference, would be a nightmare. The reserves would finally get a role of their own to sink their teeth into and the training could be done at local levels and within cost restraints. No more shuffling between doctrines and vehs. Be able to field a complete reserve fly over troop for ops. And enough practice at home units to become very effective. There‘s always a need for the little guys, if even to plug that hole out front in the survellience screen.

A little about myself would be in order i suppose as this is my first post. I‘ve spent time in the reg and reserve armoured starting in 1968 and still serving. Done centurion, ferret, cougar, coyote surv, et al. Would be interested in opinions on the above for reserves. Willie!

recceguy

 

[USMCMatt]

I find the often cited "the reserves just aren‘t capable of maintaining/training on the Coyote/LAV" to be nonsense. Reservists have successfully trained on the AVGP platform for over 15 years now. The LAV is a relatively simple platform to learn the driver/maintenance/gunnery skills on.

Down here in the USMC Reserves my unit operates with LAV-25‘s. While the reserves will not be able to train up to the same standards as their regular counterparts, they are certainly able to learn the necessities. The "tricks of the trade" are learnt quickly. Such programs as having reserve unit pers. deploy regularly in mixed reg/res. units can benefit both sides of the force greatly. When reservists return to their parent units they‘re a wealth of practical knowledge. The reg‘s learn what it‘s like to live the double life of a reservist from working side by side with them.

As far as using the new LUVW‘s for recce:

The new platform‘s will definitely be a step up from the iltis with it‘s bungee cord mount for the C-6 *laughing*. However to simply resign the reservists to using a "simpler" platform because they‘re not apt to learn it is nonsense.

 

[McG]

If we do not have enough coyotes to equip reserves with them, then what function does it serve to train reserves on the vehicle? I have previously advocated a Cougar upgraded with a LAV25 turret system. This would provide a vehicle which could be supplied to reserves for the purpose of training. It would there by allow reserves to adopt some degree of a true armoured recce.

I have also heard much comment to the effect of the value of a LUVW mounted recce formation. Given that reserve recce units already train for this capacity, it would be a role ideally suited to them. I would, however, hope that for operational deployments an armoured LUVW would be available to the recce units.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I did not mean to imply the reserves were‘nt capable to use the coyote because of intellect, the problem here in Canada is the lack of enough equip, trg areas, support, etc, to do the job properly. Fact is, given the time AND the equip, the reserves here are just as proficient as their reg counterparts. I‘ve had the survellience course, but lack the equip to stay current. The plan also, at the moment, is for the Recce reserve to be given the SMP version of the LUVW, with add on armour, turret ring and crew served weapon system.
Yeah, the LAV platform is a great veh, but it‘s hard to sneak around 30 km ahead of the FEBA in one. Thank all for the quick feedback. Willie!

 

[Yard Ape]

If there is a need for recce in LUVW‘s it should exist in both components. I am in favour of a Cougar w/LAV25 turret for reserve recce units.

Yard Ape

 

[loosse]

I don't think that that using a cougar with a LAV turret would be ideal for reserve recce. Reservists presently fill in the role of mounted and dismounted recce which is easier to carry out using the LUVW platform like the future g-wagon. If reservists were given a more static surveillance role, perhaps the cougar with a LAV turret could be useful, correct me if i'm wrong.

Could deployed reservists in an recce sqn man a luvw recce trp while regs man the coyotes in static surveillance??

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Glad you dragged this out after four years of hibernation.  This is all well covered in the Armoured forum with other threads and has become redundant.

 

[McG]

I don't think that that using a cougar with a LAV turret would be ideal for reserve recce.

What about for reserve cavalry (as proposed, by 2Bravo, for the regular force )?

 

[FGH_Recce_DJ]

They should re-write the new doctrine to include a 8 car recce troop of G-wagens and 2 LAVS or Strykers to use in support, think about it having a Coyote with a serv kit, they could cover you for miles your first bound after leaving the LOD could be like 10 km, plus if the new g-wagens get fitted for the 50.cals and the MK19's like there has been talk of you will have the firepower to finally do aggressive recce, it's an interesting concept and it has been discussed a bit through different conferences and such. I don't know if it would work for reserve recce but i'm sure the Reg force could make it work. My 2 cents. Cheers!