Regular Officer Training Plan (ROTP)-RMC 2000 - 2018 [Merged]

[ouellette9]

Alright- congratulations to all that have been accepted! Etc etc...

Though, I would love to know the averages of any or all successful applicants -what was your overall mark in high school, applying into ROTP ??? Please and thank you.

My average is high eighties but like Alex10370 said, it's just a part of your application. They take in consideration a lot of other things...

 

[SkyHeff]

I can attest that marks don't count for eveything. My high school average was a high 60's, but my college transcripts demonstrated I had the ability to learn and improve. A well rounded application is what aided me in realizng my dream and goal.

 

[SeR]

My high school average was a high 60's, but my college transcripts demonstrated I had the ability to learn and improve.

When you said "high school average," did you mean ALL of your courses (from grade 9 to grade 12) or did you mean your top six grade 12 courses?

I'm just curious since having the later would normally rule out an applicant right off the bat.

Please note:  Students must offer a minimum course mark of 70% for each of the required courses and have an overall average of 70% on the best 6 courses completed in grade 12.

http://www.rmc.ca/adm/pp-mep-eng.asp

 

[jasph]

They usually check your grade 12 courses...
We all know that the qualifications for ROTP are based on the following four pillars: Academics, Athleticism, Bilingualism, and Leadership. (For those who were not aware, now you are)

...I am well-rounded and have very competitive 'extra-curricular' 'stuff' on my resume -though academically not-so-good. 

So, any more averages people are willing to share -that is, what's your grade 12 average?

 

[jwtg]

So, any more averages people are willing to share -that is, what's your grade 12 average?

Why not lead by example? 

Mine was low 80's, and I do just fine at RMC.

 

[jwtg]

All officer occupations have on the job training during the summer periods. Did you think the military was going to pay you you during the summer months while you sit around?

Did I miss something?  Unless the OP edited their post, I don't think they ever mentioned trying to get paid to sit around- instead, they made the very reasonable point that graduating early could contribute to a more effective use of the CF's time by employing them in occupational training sooner, as opposed to OJE/OJT.  Again, unless I'm missing a part of their post which has been removed, I don't think the OP was implying that they want to sit around at all; in fact, many people would say that OJE/OJT is little more than sitting around, so maybe getting onto occupational training sooner would be better.

As for graduating early, good luck, your schedule ratio of classes to extracurricular activities will be strictly adhered to.

Engineers spend many more hours in class than arts students.  Many arts students take 6 courses/semester in their first year, and are down to 4 courses/semester in their later years.  The possibility of taking extra courses definitely exists, and probably more so in arts than engineering.  Your schedule has to be approved by a department head, so if you prove strong academically, you may have no trouble adding extra courses.

Most students find it very difficult to complete all of their daily routines before forced lights out.

This is certainly true during periods of abnormally high activity, such as FYOP or possibly the work-up period before a big inspection, but for the most part, this is not the case.  Students with good time management skills manage to balance school work, cadet wing duties/obligations, social life, physical training, and relaxation.  I know this to be true because I have time to do all my school work, go to the gym, do well at all 4 pillars, as well as read books, go to bars, play video games, hang out with my friends, and all the other normal things in life.
As far as forced lights out- that only exists during FYOP.  The rest of the our RMC careers, we put ourselves to bed.

As for AEC it has one of the highest military failure rates in the CF (you'll find out at the NAV Canada training school in Cornwall) which means you better be prepared to accept a different MOC. And yes I know what I'm talking about, my wife is a Proff at RMC, and I have over 18 years in the CF.

  Fair enough.

The CF is full of time tested process. Good luck proposing to RMC (or the CF) that you have uncovered a better way. Let me say in advance that you will be enjoying the same box everyone else is placed in.

There are people who arrive at RMC with prior post-secondary, and through the PLAR process, some of these people manage to graduate a full year early.  Others try and stack up courses, or use their PLAR, to graduate quicker.  This is entirely possible, and the likelihood of the OP being able to do it will depend on their work ethic, the amount of flexibility offered by their academic program, and them being granted permission on the mil side (which is entirely possible).  I know people who are in the process of trying to arrange their courses so that they can graduate early.  Time will tell if it works out for them or not; all I want to do here is dispel the myth that RMC is 'the same box' for everyone.

To the OP-  If you end up at RMC, don't let the negative responses you receive here discourage you; speak to your department head and chain of command and see what can be worked out; there's no harm in asking.  That being said, I don't know that it would be worth the effort to graduate early unless you were arriving with several courses already recognized from prior education.  Otherwise, you will be taking on a lot of work (which is certainly do-able, if not enjoyable) for minimal gain.  You may graduate a bit earlier, but all of your time at RMC is subsidized (assuming you go ROTP) and pensionable, and you may find that you just want to go through the 4 years with your peers.

Good luck.

 

[SeR]

They usually check your grade 12 courses...

They "check" all of the grades on your transcripts, but really put an emphasis on your senior courses.

So, any more averages people are willing to share -that is, what's your grade 12 average?

It's really beyond me why you're still asking. People have been known to get in with 70s, and others have been turned down with 90s. As well, I already provided you with the average of those admitted last year (~85%), so that should give you an idea of what the range is -- some will be above that mark, while others will be below.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

An entirely useful and reasonable post.  Milpoints inbound.

 

[dcs]

As I and others have posted earlier, marks are only one of the items that they evaluate.  Individuals get in with marks over quite a varied amount from high 70s to 90s. They also do not get in with high end marks as well. 

And also, as mentioned in this and other posts earlier both of my sons, who are currently at RMC were told that they use marks from grade 10 - 12 and average. They were both actually told the average that was used going forward.  They are looking for someone with consistent proven ability, not one that can turn it on in their last year.

I personally feel that a lot of individuals seem to concentrate too much on marks and perhaps not enough on the interview and building themselves through leadership, athletics, community service etc.  If not prepared for the interview and have thought out responses to potential questions, points are not received and resulting less chance of acceptance. Just my thought and many may not agree.

 

[MitchS]

How early can I start applying to the ROTP program?
If they like my application, how early is the earliest they will accept me?
Finally, If I want to go to a civvy university for nursing but I havent yet been accepted
to the nursing program could RMC  give me a conditional acceptance?

 

[blcbandit]

My average in grade 12 is currently a 94. However like you have said, there are four pillars for qualification for ROTP. Meaning if I did not have the extra-curriculars that I do, I probably would not have gotten in.

There are many other factors that play a role in this process other than marks. However all you can do is strive to be the best that you can be in every aspect, and if you've done enough, then chances are you will be accepted.

If not then keep moving forward and aiming for as high as you possibly can and one day your hard work will pay off. 

 

[Alex.Landry]

September of the year before.
So for the Fall semester of 2014, applications start in September.

RMC acceptances are done through a board that selects most of the applicants at once. It usually sits in March - April of the same year and chooses applicants for that fall. Applicants are receiving messages now about Fall 2013.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no early acceptances.

Finally, in order to be merit listed, you must have an acceptance to a civilian university in that same program.


Hope this helps!  ;D

 

[MitchS]

September of the year before.
So for the Fall semester of 2014, applications start in September.

RMC acceptances are done through a board that selects most of the applicants at once. It usually sits in March - April of the same year and chooses applicants for that fall. Applicants are receiving messages now about Fall 2013.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no early acceptances.

Finally, in order to be merit listed, you must have an acceptance to a civilian university in that same program.


Hope this helps!  ;D

Thanks That helps alot!!
My only concern would be how are they supposed to know i am accepted into a civvy university after ive sent in my ROTP application?
Do I wait to get the Civvy acceptance - Then start applying to ROTP? Or can I apply early and give proof of my acceptance later??

 

[Chelomo]

September of the year before.
So for the Fall semester of 2014, applications start in September.

RMC acceptances are done through a board that selects most of the applicants at once. It usually sits in March - April of the same year and chooses applicants for that fall. Applicants are receiving messages now about Fall 2013.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no early acceptances.

Finally, in order to be merit listed, you must have an acceptance to a civilian university in that same program.


Hope this helps!  ;D

This last part isn't exactly true, I was merit listed despite not having my civvy U offer at that time, and I wasn't eligible for RMC. They told me it was fine and that as long as I had the letter before my enrolment, I would be alright.

 

[dcs]

You really should talk to someone at the recruiting centre.  To accept at face value or depend on information received from any other source is clearly not in your best interest.

You should apply as early as you can for a number of reasons.  It allows for the ease in scheduling your aptitude test (CFAT) medical and interview etc.  If there is anything in regards to your medical, it gives you plenty of time to get any items from your doctor(s) or see a specialist, or even have laser eye surgery if eyesight not acceptable and you want to.  This could be something such as allergies, fractures you had when younger etc.  The medical files if there are items have to go to Ottawa to be reviewed and dealt with. It all takes time.  Much better to be scheduled at your convenience and early than panicking or missing the first selection board etc.  It also gives you plenty of time to prepare for the CFAT and interview.  If you are finishing up grade 11 I would go in some time this summer to talk with them and get the process started.

As mentioned,  you will have to go ROTP civilian university as RMC does not offer nursing.  You do not need an acceptance letter from a civilian university to apply, and will probably not get until March or April. The selection boards for ROTP are in April, so you would miss out if not applying earlier.

I believe that if you are accepted to the nursing program and it is acceptable university you can go to any one accepted at. (They may restrict the universities that can have ROTP, but Queens I would think would certainly be on the list.... but talk to them please.

My son if in fourth year RMC and graduates in a couple of weeks.  He had a friend that was told/believed that you should not apply until accepted from university.  BY that time way too late and they lost out.  His own file had a medical item on it, and when dropped off to the recruiting centre and followed up many weeks later nothing was being done with it. 

Apply early and save yourself a lot of pressure and concern.  And allow for the requirements to be easily done and at your convenience.  There is nothing bad that can result from being early.

Good luck.

 

[nursekatrina]

I was given an offer this year for ROTP Nursing on Apr. 17th,  I did not receive my acceptance letters from the two schools I applied to until this past week.  So this year you didn't need to have your acceptance prior to being given an offer.  Next year it may change.

 

[SeR]

Next year it may change.

I can assure you that it will not change. Generally speaking, the only people that would already know that they have been accepted to a civvi school by time the ROTP board sits are those that have been offered early acceptances. People who haven't heard yet would therefore be automatically disqualified from the selection for no valid reason. In this case, the CF would also be losing out since many extraordinary applicants may find themselves in this boat.

 

[Alex10370]

Just a heads up for anyone out of CFRC Toronto/CFRD Barrie, I was told yesterday that for those who accepted offers there would be a package in the mail for you within the next week or so.  If your like me and usually only check your mail box once a month for bills you may want to check more frequently in the next little while!

 

[macknightcr]

I am student here at RMC right now.  100% you can graduate early.  I transferred in some credits through the PLAR program allowing me to do so.  A friend of mine, another Officer Cadet, is graduating one semester early without transferring in any credits.  If you are willing to take on a serious course load every semester you can without a doubt graduate early. 

I hope this helps.

 

[ublmeister]

Just a heads up for anyone out of CFRC Toronto/CFRD Barrie, I was told yesterday that for those who accepted offers there would be a package in the mail for you within the next week or so.  If your like me and usually only check your mail box once a month for bills you may want to check more frequently in the next little while!

I received similar information from CFRC Ottawa, similar date, and similar advice.