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Religion in Schools (split fm Islamic Terrorism)

lenaitch said:
If a theory is provable and ultimately proven, then it is no longer a theory; it becomes a fact until proven otherwise by more knowledge.
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I am in general agreement but I might phrase it differently respecting facts and theories.

My sense is that facts are things that can be observed measured and generally agreed on. Not necessarily universally agreed but accepted by most people. The sun rises in the east every day is a fact easily verified.

Theories are working hypotheses designed to create a framework for understanding. Some theories have lots of facts in evidence that support them, and I put evolution and the general theory of relativity in that camp. Those theories support predictions that suggest that the theory, if not correct is at least workable and valuable. It helps to make sense of our world.

On the other, we could be wrong.
 
IKnowNothing said:
@YZT580 - I think there's some confusion- I use "evangelical Leftist" in place of "woke". The opposite side of the coin to fundamentalist christians, Islamists etc.

If you feeling I'm trolling I apologize. What I'm trying to do is point out that having to tolerate others beliefs and not having your beliefs prioritized and catered to is not the same as "being forced to drop your beliefs"

Re- creationism. So should every religion's alternative to evolution be presented on equal footing, or just yours?
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If they have scientific validity then yes they should be taught as theories or at the very least mentioned.
Evangelical leftists and woke are in no way related and frankly it is insulting to use the two in the same sentence. Here is the wilki definition of evangelical:
An evangelical is a member of a Christian movement that emphasizes the importance of personal conversion, the authority of the Bible, and the sharing of the "good news" of Jesus Christ. Evangelicals are found across various Protestant denominations and are characterized by their commitment to evangelism and a belief in being "born again." There is a difference as well between being forced to drop your beliefs and having to hide them. There is a very enthusiastic church in Riyadh, in Cairo and even in Beijing but they are forced to meet in secret for fear of arrest and jail terms. I find it interesting that we constantly mention the two Micheals in China but forget the mission couple who spent even longer locked up there but that is beside the point. We are rapidly approaching the point where hiding beliefs other than "yours" (with yours referring to what society is currently deeming to be acceptable) is becoming necessary. The whole woke issue has demonstrated that beyond any doubt and the attitudes displayed in our public school system reinforces the need for an alternative choice in education (to get back on track)
 
lenaitch said:
You recall incorrectly. And it seems it didn't come from a tree farm.

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Tree From Lunenburg County Chosen for Boston

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If a theory is provable and ultimately proven, then it is no longer a theory; it becomes a fact until proven otherwise by more knowledge. Matters of science may not be proven, and are indeed continually evolving as we learn more, but its theories are continually put to the test. Matters of religion are based on a book written by many authors several hundreds years after the facts they describe, and many of the conclusions of its adherents/hierarchy have remained essentially unaltered for centuries. I would be truly interested in a key element, event or cornerstone of religious dogma that has withstood scientific analysis.
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Actually, almost all of them that have been put under the microscope have been vindicated: none have been disproven although in honesty it isn't possible to provide evidence for some. In contrast the whole big bang theory depends upon a substance that has never been identified or seen or measured and it seems to make up 90% of the cosmos. There is no repeat no evidence for any creature evolving from another. All science points to evidence that the world and everything in it is in a state of decay yet evolution miraculously created birds from dinosaurs. Who wrote the code that is present in DNA? Because the code found in even the simplest single celled creature is hundreds of lines long.
 
OldSolduer said:
And what exactly happened?
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IF it’s the same guy, here’s what the Jesuit info-machine says:
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Cigarettes, Coffee, and Justice: The Unusual Holiness of Martin Royackers, SJ  - Canada Province

Chain-smoking, dishevelled, even hearing confessions in a bar: Fr. Martin Royackers, SJ, never ceased to amaze. According to several sources, he rarely made a good first impression.
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If it’s someone different, I humbly defer to those with stronger Jesuit history chops than mine.
 
lenaitch said:
If a theory is provable and ultimately proven, then it is no longer a theory; it becomes a fact until proven otherwise by more knowledge. Matters of science may not be proven, and are indeed continually evolving as we learn more, but its theories are continually put to the test.
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Theories aren't really provable; they're disprovable. A theory is rarely (if ever) finally proven; it is just uncontradicted until it is contradicted on some point. It's rarely necessary to throw a theory away for the sake of one crack, but that does happen.

Creation theory falls into the set of theories for which it's too easy to just make stuff up.
 
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